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fandomsecrets2012-12-26 06:34 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋
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Re: ayrt
Uh...the parallels between 11 and Amy and 10 and Rose...I guess there's the whole "first person you were exposed to after regenerating" similarity, but not exactly, since 10 already knew Rose as 9. In fact, the 9->10 regeneration is as different from the 10->11 regeneration as possible. 10 came about in Rose's presence, surrounded by the exact same cast of characters and setting he had gotten used to when he was 9, whereas 11 came about totally lost, no companion, no one with him, no clue where or when he was, having just said goodbye to all his old friends. I think the companion influence is the opposite way around for 10 than it was for 11 -- 9's exposure to Rose and her influence on him kind of guided his character development in a way that led to him regenerating into 10 -- all passionate and idealistic and youthful and exuberant. A little bit Rose-ish. Obviously I'm not saying it was ALL ABOUT ROSE, that'd be ridiculous, but I think part of it was. After all, Rose was kind of a big part of 9's life. I think 9+Rose/11+Amy is a better comparison than 10+Rose/11+Amy, tbh.
I honestly don't think 10+Rose and 11+Amy had many similarities, really. The parts of their situations that were similar tend to produce more contrasts than anything. I think 10 saw Rose as more his equal than she really was, or wished she was his equal, or something, which I think was what allowed them to slide into the pseudo-romantic and kind of codependent relationship they had in the latter half of season 2. Whereas 11 always seemed to view Amy as even less his equal than she really was. Not in a bad way -- in the way that he always seemed to see her as 7 year old Amelia, like a daughter or granddaughter that he sort of speed-adopted by accident/necessity during The Eleventh Hour without really realizing what he was doing.
Re: ayrt
Yes, you make a very good point about the differences in their regenerative surroundings, and one which I should have considered before posting. While I find the idea fascinating, I'm not sure I necessarily agree about Rose's influence on Ten, but only because I can't see any evidence of that in previous regenerations that might lead to him having done it for his ninth regeneration. I prefer the theory that he had his attitudes fixed by Rose's reactions to him, stuck with them with Martha until he realised (too late) that they were inappropriate, and changed his manner with Astrid and then with Donna.
I am more inclined to agree with your views on equality. It's interesting that this is an idea that belongs purely to the new series as there was always a gap between Doctor and companion(s) in the old, and I think is something that began to evolve during the second half of Nine's era and has now blossomed in Ten and Eleven's. I think 11 would have viewed Amy as his equal had River not been around to fill that place. It will be interesting to see where the relationship goes with the new companion.
Re: ayrt
For example: One started out very distant and grumpy and patronizing towards humans, and eventually warmed up to them due to first Ian and Barbara's influence, then his later companions' influence and became much nicer, and then when he regenerated into Two, he was very close to his companions and emotionally open and vulnerable with them. And it's possible to view Five's regeneration into Six as a result of just having a really awful life in general with shittons of people dying in most of his serials and companions running away and dying on him and making him worry and get sad all the time, so his next regeneration was a far more abrasive and insensitive person in reaction to all that.
So I don't think it's a leap to say his companions also have some influence on his characterization is unsupported by previous regenerations. And Nine would be a special case -- Rose was his first companion after the Time War, which was a pretty cataclysmic event, and she kinda did a lot to help him start getting over it (re: Dalek). So I can she her having more of an influence on him than usual. I don't think it was conscious or anything, or that his companions were the only influence on his characterization, but I think they did shape him a bit.
I'm a little confused as to what you mean about Ten's attitudes though, because he seemed to always treat Martha rather differently than Rose?