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fandomsecrets2012-12-29 02:53 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-12-29 02:53 pm
[ SECRET POST #2188 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2188 ⌋
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Totally agree with this. It's less about doing the right thing and more about LOOKING like you're doing the right thing, in a place where other people can see you doing the right thing so that you can all pat each other, and yourselves, on the back for being good people, and vanquishing the evils of mildly offensive things said out of ignorance on the Internet.
Pretty much. Plus, it's an excuse to bully others... some people really get off on that.
I saw a fanfic that included "spaz" in the summary to describe a character's behavior. I wrote a review saying that as someone with Cerebral Palsy, I'd appreciate it if the author would find a better word than "spaz" to use in there. She very politely agreed with me, and changed the summary.
I was waiting for the SJWs to show up and dogpile her, but they didn't... possibly because she changed it before any of them saw it. I was actually kind of hoping they'd show up, so I could tell them, "Hey, thanks, but an actual disabled person already handled it!".
I get how the Tone Argument can be used to derail and that no one is required to be nice to anyone, let alone someone who's being abusive, but at the same time, you often catch more flies with honey than vinegar. It costs me absolutely nothing to be kind and polite in my initial interaction with someone; I can always haul out the scathing insults later if need be, you know?
The whole "it's not my job to educate you!" mantra pisses me off to no end. Why did you bother screaming at someone that they're doing something wrong if you were going to go on to refuse to tell them WHAT they're doing wrong, or why it's wrong?
It's like, "I'm mad at you, and if you don't know why, I'm not going to tell you!". It's a shitty, passive-aggressive thing when it's done in a relationship, and it's no less shitty or passive-aggressive when done online.
If you have time to type out two paragraphs of insults, then you have time to include a sentence that explains why what they said is problematic. And, I mean, call me crazy, but isn't it kind of your job to defend your own argument? I DUNNO, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
Apparently I don't either. I'm sort of waiting to be told I'm Doing It Wrong because of the way I choose to deal with people who use problematic language that could be applied to me. Obviously, I need an abusive, vitriolic SJW to white knight on my behalf. Because surely that'll make people care more about people with disabilities!
Or something, IDEK.
Sorry for writing you a book; I evidently have a lot of feelings about this.
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Sadly, I can completely relate to that example. I once used the word "crazy" in reference to myself (on F!S, actually; it was a secret about mental illnesses); I don't remember my exact comment, but some uppity SJW rode in on their white horse and tried to tell me how, if I really had a real mental illness, then I should be offended by the word "crazy", and if I did, then clearly I'm a self-hating bigot who has internalized my ableism. Thank you, all-knowing SJW commenter, for correcting me. I definitely need you to tell me how I SHOULD be referring to myself in order to be a ~real~ victim.
tl;dr @ self, also, can someone explain the concept of a tone argument to me? I've seen people reference it many times, but I don't quite fully understand what it means.
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Sadly, I can completely relate to that example.
This doesn't surprise me.
I once used the word "crazy" in reference to myself (on F!S, actually; it was a secret about mental illnesses); I don't remember my exact comment, but some uppity SJW rode in on their white horse and tried to tell me how, if I really had a real mental illness, then I should be offended by the word "crazy", and if I did, then clearly I'm a self-hating bigot who has internalized my ableism. Thank you, all-knowing SJW commenter, for correcting me. I definitely need you to tell me how I SHOULD be referring to myself in order to be a ~real~ victim.
Well, thank God you had someone who (very probably) doesn't have any sort of mental illness whatsoever to tell you what you're doing wrong! I'm sure you were properly grateful for that schooling!
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Thank you, all-knowing SJW commenter, for correcting me. I definitely need you to tell me how I SHOULD be referring to myself in order to be a ~real~ victim.
I was told by someone (online) that I shouldn't call myself (not other people, just myself!) "brain-damaged" even though if you go to Wikipedia and look up Cerebral Palsy, you'll find that CP literally is brain damage.
Oh, and I shouldn't claim to have CP because I'm so mildly affected that if you met me IRL you'd never even know. So I FAIL at having CP. Or something, IDEK.
tl;dr @ self, also, can someone explain the concept of a tone argument to me? I've seen people reference it many times, but I don't quite fully understand what it means.
Go to Derailingfordummies.com and check it out. It's been distorted from it's original meaning into something that's barely recognizable, IMO.