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I'm not sure where I come down in this discussion, because it's a complicated issue with a lot of feelings on all sides, but -- it is blatantly obvious that more people oppose you in this debate than just the OP. You're not doing your argument any favors by pretending otherwise.

You are correct, I shouldn't have automatically assumed they were the op.

However, I will not stand by while people back pat themselves for enjoying a form of abuse. It trivializes the victims and diminishes the severity of the act. Someone who gets off on the victimization of others should not be praised and coddled. And yes, incest is abuse, it has a perpetrator and a victim, and I can guarantee you that the victim is often groomed to believe it's consensual.

I have no patience, sympathy or understanding for anyone that believes otherwise.

It's a philosophical question. Is it possible for the reality to be so bad that the fantasy, defined as distinct from the reality, is unallowable? The current fandom general opinion seems to be no, as long as fantasy and reality are distinct fantasy is always allowable.

I'm not sure whether you're arguing that some realities are so bad that even fantasy is unallowable, or that no fantasy can ever be distinct from the reality. If it's the former, I have to argue that everyone has to make that call for themselves, and as long as they don't hurt anyone else it's no one else's business. If it's the latter, I don't know whether I agree with you, which is why I'm not sure where I land on this question.

The pedant in me must protest that consensual incest (between adults) is theoretically possible. It may be vanishingly rare, but even if it has never actually happened, it is theoretically possible.

If nothing else, there's the case of the siblings who meet as adults and are mutually unaware that they are siblings. If everyone involved is unaware of the relationship, it's not any more abuse than it would be without the biological connection.

I have heard of cases where two children who were adopted out fell in love as adults. It wasn't intentional thou, they didn't know they were related. If I recall once they found out they were related, they broke up and probably went into therapy.

What I am basically arguing is that I am uncomfortable that some people are justifying abuse by putting it under the "fantasy" category. Anyone who fantasizes about molesting a child would never be praised the way the OP is. Making consent head canon does not make it okay either No, sorry, wrong, incest does not have consent, and if consent is given it is always through manipulation.

The OP is basically admitting to masturbating to a fantasy he has of a fucked up time in my (and other victims) lives. That is no fantasy, that is hell, that is abuse, and I question the person who gets off on abuse. I find it sickening that so many people are okay with it and are encouraging him. That is not okay, and no amount of semantic or head canon twisting will ever make it okay.

If you want to argue some more that "consenting incest" exists, do it with the other people who have no problem with it. I do not want to be told that I am being stupid, or what happened to me didn't matter because some people here have no boundries or respect for victims.

No one is saying what happened to you doesn't matter. It clearly does.

That doesn't mean what happened to you is exactly what happened to everyone else and it certainly has nothing to do with fantasy and OP doesn't seem to confuse the two or fetishize real incest.

I certainly have my share of fantasies about things I would never want to do or have happen to me in real life -- it makes me sick to thing of them realistically. I can't fully explain why I get off on them but I have noticed that sometimes people develop sexual issues surrounding things they fear so I'm pretty uncomfortable with your black and white view on other people's sexualities.

Listen, like I said above, if you want to talk about how much you like fantasizing about abuse, do it with someone else. I have no interest in hearing you or anyone else try to justify this. Yes, it is a black and white issue, and again, like I said above, no amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

Now go justify your abuse fantasies with someone else.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of doubt here and assume this is one of those things you will never see clearly and not take your comments personally. I'm very sorry you've suffered and wish you luck in healing.

Consensual incest isn't THAT rare, though.

Abuse is heard of more often because it is a crime, and illegal in most countries. Consensual incest is legal in a number of places and usually isn't talked about much, because, obviously, it is no exactly a source of pride for the participants.

" It's a philosophical question. Is it possible for the reality to be so bad that the fantasy, defined as distinct from the reality, is unallowable? The current fandom general opinion seems to be no "

if that is true then current fandom general opinion is seriously messed up imo I would answer YES to the " philosophical " question as well

add me to the other voices in the thread going THIS IS NOT OK seek help OP

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