[ SECRET POST #2191 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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Comments

[tyger66]

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash. And anyone who thinks that Harry Potter has more het fans than slash fans is probably kind of insane.

[(Anonymous)]

Harmonians, tho.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Because Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin.

[tyger66]

Yes, but all the slash combined beats all the het combined twice over.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm checking, and I have no idea how that can be the case. As I said before, Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin, and, likewise, Harry/Snape barely beats Snape/Hermonie. Even with Sirius/Lupin, you have Harry/Hermonie, Hermonie/Ron, and Harry/Ginny.

And, as we all know, Harry and Hermonie are the shipping bicycles of the fandom, so there's barely any Harry/Ron and Ron/Draco.

[tyger66]

I suppose that since I have almost completely deserted ff.net, I kind of forget it exists at times. Are those the stats you are checking? If so, we should also take into account AO3, and livejournal (which would be almost impossible, obviously). On AO3 (which, IMO, contains a higher standard than ff.net) there is almost twice as much slash as any other type of fic. And I honestly have no clue what the ratio would be for LJ...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I'm checking ff.net since it's the biggest fic database. It's also the best indicator since slashers tend use AO3 and LJ more than het-ers (idk what to call them) while het-ers and slashers use ff.net pretty equally. Honestly, AO3 is only higher quality because it's smaller and has older members. Soon enough, it will be a shit show too.

Also, AO3 and LJ are mostly used by girls, so that's another reason why there will be more slash.

Honestly, LJ is terrible when it comes to het and great when it comes to slash. For instance, I was in a fandom where the main het pairing was super popular on ff.net, and the most popular slash pairing was only the third most popular pairing. On the kink meme for that fandom, it was dominated by that slash pairing.

I REALLY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED MY LESSON BY NOW

[tyger66]

No, I agree that AO3 is quickly headed down shit street, and it's only their slow "invitation" process that keeps quality up at this point.

I also wasn't really aware that AO3 is used more by slashers. I guess I kind of thought it had a more evenly balanced user-base.

As always though, any opinion I form is based on my subjective experience, and since I don't look for het, I often don't SEE het. As a result, I get into debates like this one and make a complete ass of myself. >.>

[(Anonymous)]

Why're you looking for Harry/Ron and Ron/Draco? They are rareships even within the slash part of HP fandom. I'm pretty sure there are more Snape/Lucius, Snape/Draco, James/Sirius and Harry/Voldemort fics than Harry/Ron and Ron/Darco. There's nextgen slash too and I think even Albus Severus/Scorpius and Harry/Teddy is bigger than Ron/Draco.

Besides, ff.net is not a good standard of measurement. It doesn't allow MA rated fics which means a lot of the really smutty slash and het are offsite. Also, there are more male characters in HP than female characters. HP rarepair fests on LJ are full of rare male pairings, though LJ does have a slash bias.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL wut? Harry/Hermione and Ron/Heromine are far and away the biggest ships in the fandom. Sure there's Sirius/Remus and Draco/Harry, and there big in their own right but they weren't huge as those two mentioned above.

I mean, most of the ship wars and drama? Was around those two het pairings.

So you're kinda "insane" thinking that HP wasn't/isn't a het-heavy fandom.

[tyger66]

Not saying it wasn't het-heavy, just saying that there is so much MORE slash than het. I wasn't comparing which ships beat other ships, I was taking all the het and comparing it to all the slash, and slash wins that contest in a big way.

[(Anonymous)]

.... it can't be het-heavy if slash beats it out and you're pretty wrong on that considering I was in that very fandom until a couple of years ago and occasionally come back once in a while. Het beats it hardcore and I say this as someone who shipped both het and slash pairings (mostly het to be fair), and the stuff the het faction had dwarfed the slash one.

Maybe the only thing that the slash fandom had the one up is that there was more slash doujinshi than het from Jfen. That was pretty much it and that was a small number.

[tyger66]

Ok, ok, I'm backing down. I'm still not entirely convinced, because no one has actual definitive numbers on which has more fanworks TOTAL, but yes, on certain sites het wins. On rare good days, Fanfiction.net's entire existence occasionally slips my mind, and on the other sites I frequented, slash was more common. Of course, one sees what they want to see, and I wasn't interested in het at all, so I might have just looked right through half of the het that got posted back in the day.

[(Anonymous)]

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash.

Hmmm. 8869 stories for Jack & Sam on ff.net. 2496 Jack/Sam stories at Heliopolis + 656 at Helio2. 4266 stories at samandjack.net.

For Jack/Daniel - 2250 fics on Alpha Gate, 11977 stories on Area 52, and 2236 stories on ff.net.

I think "mostly slash" is a huge exaggeration. At best, allowing for some duplication in posting, I think the most you could say is that they're about the same.

[(Anonymous)]

And actually that's not even accurate now that I'm looking at it again. 11977 is the total number of stories on the Area 52 website, not the number of Jack/Daniel stories. Oops. I really should be in bed. *facepalm* I have no idea how many actual J/D stories there are on the website.

Anyway, yeah. And I think Daniel/Janet and Daniel/Vala also gathered fairly significant followings, though not as much as the big two. But put it all together and I think you would end up finding that het ends up outweighing slash. Especially since no other slash pairing besides J/D ever ended up getting much of a following, except maybe for Sam/Janet which was the major femmeslash pairing of the fandom.