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[ SECRET POST #2191 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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"Extremely prolific fandoms"? I see, so fic writing is the only "real" type of fanning.

In any case.... Let's start with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Doctor Who. Harry Potter. X-Files. Stargate SG-1. I think you can safely call all of those extremely prolific.

... and mostly old-school, some close to inactive, like The X-Files. A show from the early 90s? Come on. Not to mention that in the case of SG-1, Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

I think you'd find that really hard to prove, especially since the Sam/Jack shippers are still going strong and Jack/Daniel kind of died out around the time RDA left the show.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom. Chuck fandom was large enough to achieve notoriety for their save-the-show efforts, yet the amount of fic they produced could fill a tablespoon. There are lots of current large popular het fandoms out there right now. Grey's Anatomy. Bones. Vampire Diaries that I already mentioned. OUaT is new but rapidly growing. Tiva and Caskett have legions of followers. Don't judge everything off the AO3 fic stats.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom.

It's the least subjective one.

I'm currently into NCIS, SPN, Sherlock and Castle and I can't think of a single parameter as far as online presence goes that could place Caskett or Tiva anywhere near the other two's main slash pairings in popularity.

Maybe Delena in TVD could rival them, but that's about it.

Oh, and Teen Wolf. I don't think even Delena can rival Sterek.

Delena stories on ff.net - 7112
Sterek stories on AO3 - 6911

Delena still has Sterek beat, even taking into consideration AO3's heavy slash emphasis. (Seriously, everyone knows that you don't go to AO3 for het. It's getting better, but it's still slash-dominated. Het fans are only recently starting to get familiar with it.)

From ff.net

7,430 stories for Tiva.
11,910 stories for Booth/Brennan.
9,922 stories for Caskett.
76,304 stories for Edward/Bella.
6,376 stories for Katniss/Peeta.

Those numbers will rival most slash fandoms. Are they up to the numbers for SPN and Sherlock? Well no, except for Twilight. But you have to admit, SPN and Sherlock are in a class of their own, even among slash fandoms. So that's not a fair comparison.

I can't say anything about the others but Tony/Ziva is definitely a small subset of NCIS fandom. There may be a lot of ff.net stories, but that is only a small portion of the fandom as a whole. On LJ? Tony/Gibbs is by far the number one pairing. And there are a number of other slash pairings. Not only that, but there is very much an anti-Tiva and anti-Ziva presence in fandom that drove me out.

And on AO3? The top 3 pairings with numbers of stories...
Anthony DiNozzo/Jethro Gibbs (1048)
Ziva David/Anthony DiNozzo (252)
Anthony DiNozzo/Timothy McGee (222)

There is no way you can say that Ziva/Tony dominates that list. Or even that het dominates.

So, no, you cannot count NCIS fandom as het dominated. Except, perhaps, on ff.net, which I don't really visit.

So because you don't visit it, it somehow doesn't count? Both AO3 and LJ are heavily biased toward the slash side of the fandom spectrum. That's a well-known fact. They're far from being a representative example of the fandom as a whole. If you're going to say that number of fics is the "least subjective" way to tell the size of a fandom, you can't just throw out the numbers that you don't like when they don't support your theory.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-03 01:22 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-03 01:47 (UTC) - Expand

Oh and I can't believe I forgot this, but could I call your attention to a minor little thing called "Twilight"? (Not that I'm endorsing it, but...no one can say it's not a "het juggernaut".)

There's also Hunger Games - also big. Also het.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

twilight and the hunger games?

Also A:TLA/LoK. Zutara, anyone?

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash. And anyone who thinks that Harry Potter has more het fans than slash fans is probably kind of insane.

Harmonians, tho.

Really? Because Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin.

Yes, but all the slash combined beats all the het combined twice over.

Yeah, I'm checking, and I have no idea how that can be the case. As I said before, Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin, and, likewise, Harry/Snape barely beats Snape/Hermonie. Even with Sirius/Lupin, you have Harry/Hermonie, Hermonie/Ron, and Harry/Ginny.

And, as we all know, Harry and Hermonie are the shipping bicycles of the fandom, so there's barely any Harry/Ron and Ron/Draco.

I suppose that since I have almost completely deserted ff.net, I kind of forget it exists at times. Are those the stats you are checking? If so, we should also take into account AO3, and livejournal (which would be almost impossible, obviously). On AO3 (which, IMO, contains a higher standard than ff.net) there is almost twice as much slash as any other type of fic. And I honestly have no clue what the ratio would be for LJ...

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-02 07:25 (UTC) - Expand

I REALLY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED MY LESSON BY NOW

tyger66 - 2013-01-02 07:31 (UTC) - Expand

Why're you looking for Harry/Ron and Ron/Draco? They are rareships even within the slash part of HP fandom. I'm pretty sure there are more Snape/Lucius, Snape/Draco, James/Sirius and Harry/Voldemort fics than Harry/Ron and Ron/Darco. There's nextgen slash too and I think even Albus Severus/Scorpius and Harry/Teddy is bigger than Ron/Draco.

Besides, ff.net is not a good standard of measurement. It doesn't allow MA rated fics which means a lot of the really smutty slash and het are offsite. Also, there are more male characters in HP than female characters. HP rarepair fests on LJ are full of rare male pairings, though LJ does have a slash bias.

LOL wut? Harry/Hermione and Ron/Heromine are far and away the biggest ships in the fandom. Sure there's Sirius/Remus and Draco/Harry, and there big in their own right but they weren't huge as those two mentioned above.

I mean, most of the ship wars and drama? Was around those two het pairings.

So you're kinda "insane" thinking that HP wasn't/isn't a het-heavy fandom.

Not saying it wasn't het-heavy, just saying that there is so much MORE slash than het. I wasn't comparing which ships beat other ships, I was taking all the het and comparing it to all the slash, and slash wins that contest in a big way.

.... it can't be het-heavy if slash beats it out and you're pretty wrong on that considering I was in that very fandom until a couple of years ago and occasionally come back once in a while. Het beats it hardcore and I say this as someone who shipped both het and slash pairings (mostly het to be fair), and the stuff the het faction had dwarfed the slash one.

Maybe the only thing that the slash fandom had the one up is that there was more slash doujinshi than het from Jfen. That was pretty much it and that was a small number.

Ok, ok, I'm backing down. I'm still not entirely convinced, because no one has actual definitive numbers on which has more fanworks TOTAL, but yes, on certain sites het wins. On rare good days, Fanfiction.net's entire existence occasionally slips my mind, and on the other sites I frequented, slash was more common. Of course, one sees what they want to see, and I wasn't interested in het at all, so I might have just looked right through half of the het that got posted back in the day.

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash.

Hmmm. 8869 stories for Jack & Sam on ff.net. 2496 Jack/Sam stories at Heliopolis + 656 at Helio2. 4266 stories at samandjack.net.

For Jack/Daniel - 2250 fics on Alpha Gate, 11977 stories on Area 52, and 2236 stories on ff.net.

I think "mostly slash" is a huge exaggeration. At best, allowing for some duplication in posting, I think the most you could say is that they're about the same.

And actually that's not even accurate now that I'm looking at it again. 11977 is the total number of stories on the Area 52 website, not the number of Jack/Daniel stories. Oops. I really should be in bed. *facepalm* I have no idea how many actual J/D stories there are on the website.

Anyway, yeah. And I think Daniel/Janet and Daniel/Vala also gathered fairly significant followings, though not as much as the big two. But put it all together and I think you would end up finding that het ends up outweighing slash. Especially since no other slash pairing besides J/D ever ended up getting much of a following, except maybe for Sam/Janet which was the major femmeslash pairing of the fandom.

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