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⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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how about you write a list of het-dominated fandoms and i write a list of slash-dominated ones and we'll see who's is longer.

or better yet the list can only include extremely prolific fandoms

"Extremely prolific fandoms"? I see, so fic writing is the only "real" type of fanning.

In any case.... Let's start with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Doctor Who. Harry Potter. X-Files. Stargate SG-1. I think you can safely call all of those extremely prolific.

... and mostly old-school, some close to inactive, like The X-Files. A show from the early 90s? Come on. Not to mention that in the case of SG-1, Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

I think you'd find that really hard to prove, especially since the Sam/Jack shippers are still going strong and Jack/Daniel kind of died out around the time RDA left the show.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom. Chuck fandom was large enough to achieve notoriety for their save-the-show efforts, yet the amount of fic they produced could fill a tablespoon. There are lots of current large popular het fandoms out there right now. Grey's Anatomy. Bones. Vampire Diaries that I already mentioned. OUaT is new but rapidly growing. Tiva and Caskett have legions of followers. Don't judge everything off the AO3 fic stats.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom.

It's the least subjective one.

I'm currently into NCIS, SPN, Sherlock and Castle and I can't think of a single parameter as far as online presence goes that could place Caskett or Tiva anywhere near the other two's main slash pairings in popularity.

Maybe Delena in TVD could rival them, but that's about it.

Oh, and Teen Wolf. I don't think even Delena can rival Sterek.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-02 08:17 (UTC) - Expand

From ff.net

7,430 stories for Tiva.
11,910 stories for Booth/Brennan.
9,922 stories for Caskett.
76,304 stories for Edward/Bella.
6,376 stories for Katniss/Peeta.

Those numbers will rival most slash fandoms. Are they up to the numbers for SPN and Sherlock? Well no, except for Twilight. But you have to admit, SPN and Sherlock are in a class of their own, even among slash fandoms. So that's not a fair comparison.

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Oh and I can't believe I forgot this, but could I call your attention to a minor little thing called "Twilight"? (Not that I'm endorsing it, but...no one can say it's not a "het juggernaut".)

There's also Hunger Games - also big. Also het.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

twilight and the hunger games?

Also A:TLA/LoK. Zutara, anyone?

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash. And anyone who thinks that Harry Potter has more het fans than slash fans is probably kind of insane.

Harmonians, tho.

Really? Because Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin.

Yes, but all the slash combined beats all the het combined twice over.

Yeah, I'm checking, and I have no idea how that can be the case. As I said before, Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin, and, likewise, Harry/Snape barely beats Snape/Hermonie. Even with Sirius/Lupin, you have Harry/Hermonie, Hermonie/Ron, and Harry/Ginny.

And, as we all know, Harry and Hermonie are the shipping bicycles of the fandom, so there's barely any Harry/Ron and Ron/Draco.

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I REALLY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED MY LESSON BY NOW

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LOL wut? Harry/Hermione and Ron/Heromine are far and away the biggest ships in the fandom. Sure there's Sirius/Remus and Draco/Harry, and there big in their own right but they weren't huge as those two mentioned above.

I mean, most of the ship wars and drama? Was around those two het pairings.

So you're kinda "insane" thinking that HP wasn't/isn't a het-heavy fandom.

Not saying it wasn't het-heavy, just saying that there is so much MORE slash than het. I wasn't comparing which ships beat other ships, I was taking all the het and comparing it to all the slash, and slash wins that contest in a big way.

.... it can't be het-heavy if slash beats it out and you're pretty wrong on that considering I was in that very fandom until a couple of years ago and occasionally come back once in a while. Het beats it hardcore and I say this as someone who shipped both het and slash pairings (mostly het to be fair), and the stuff the het faction had dwarfed the slash one.

Maybe the only thing that the slash fandom had the one up is that there was more slash doujinshi than het from Jfen. That was pretty much it and that was a small number.

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tyger66 - 2013-01-02 07:17 (UTC) - Expand

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash.

Hmmm. 8869 stories for Jack & Sam on ff.net. 2496 Jack/Sam stories at Heliopolis + 656 at Helio2. 4266 stories at samandjack.net.

For Jack/Daniel - 2250 fics on Alpha Gate, 11977 stories on Area 52, and 2236 stories on ff.net.

I think "mostly slash" is a huge exaggeration. At best, allowing for some duplication in posting, I think the most you could say is that they're about the same.

And actually that's not even accurate now that I'm looking at it again. 11977 is the total number of stories on the Area 52 website, not the number of Jack/Daniel stories. Oops. I really should be in bed. *facepalm* I have no idea how many actual J/D stories there are on the website.

Anyway, yeah. And I think Daniel/Janet and Daniel/Vala also gathered fairly significant followings, though not as much as the big two. But put it all together and I think you would end up finding that het ends up outweighing slash. Especially since no other slash pairing besides J/D ever ended up getting much of a following, except maybe for Sam/Janet which was the major femmeslash pairing of the fandom.

Book fandoms are mostly het: Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Percy Jackson.

For cartoons, you have A:TLA and Legend of Korra. In terms of anime, you have Evangelion which, yeah, is old school, but it gets bonus points since there's canon gay.

Oh, and I forgot about Gossip Girl where Chuck is canonically bisexual in the books and Dan is bicurious. I mean, this was erased by the TV show, but still. Chair is the most popular pairing by far.

Eh, there's more in anime, but basically, if it's shoujo, it tends to be a het-heavy fandom, if it's shounen, it's slash-heavy. There are obvious exceptions like The Big 3 of Shounen Jump (Naruto, Bleach and One Piece) all have het-heavy fandoms. Then there's series like DNAngel which was a slash-heavy fandom.

It really matters what is the male:female ratio in a title when it comes to if it's a het-heavy or slash-heavy fandom.

That's true. Evangelion has a huge dude-fanbase, for instance. To be honest, I've been pretty disappointed by the amount of het in anime fandoms for the most part since, from what I've seen, shonen is more popular than shojo.

Also, I thought Naruto was huge on the slash front with Naruto/Sasuke?

You would think so, but Sasuke/Sakura beats it out definitely and I thik the Naruto/Sakura faction cooled down (especially after the ship sank), and Naruto/Sakura fans are a loud faction and most of the ship drama are those two with the occasional Sasuke/Naruto fan stirring shit. And in terms of total slashh pairings, total het pairings win out too, because people only shipped Sasuke/Naruto such a large margin with the slash section it kinda edges the rest pf the slash pairings out, maybe except Itachi/Sasuke and Kakashi/Iruka and they pretty small compared to Sasuke/Naruto.

Although most of the drama you'll see from the Sasuke/Naruto folks were the shitstorm of who tops. Which is pretty fail-y in itself.

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