[ SECRET POST #2191 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh please! Fandom shipping is NOT "mostly slash." I am so sick of this myth being perpetuated here. How many times do we need to pull out the long list of fandoms that are not "mostly slash"? Why don't this time we just start with Once Upon a Time? Or Castle? Or NCIS? Or Vampire Diaries? Any of these ringing a bell?

[(Anonymous)]

how about you write a list of het-dominated fandoms and i write a list of slash-dominated ones and we'll see who's is longer.

or better yet the list can only include extremely prolific fandoms

[(Anonymous)]

"Extremely prolific fandoms"? I see, so fic writing is the only "real" type of fanning.

In any case.... Let's start with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Doctor Who. Harry Potter. X-Files. Stargate SG-1. I think you can safely call all of those extremely prolific.

[(Anonymous)]

... and mostly old-school, some close to inactive, like The X-Files. A show from the early 90s? Come on. Not to mention that in the case of SG-1, Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

[(Anonymous)]

Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

I think you'd find that really hard to prove, especially since the Sam/Jack shippers are still going strong and Jack/Daniel kind of died out around the time RDA left the show.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom. Chuck fandom was large enough to achieve notoriety for their save-the-show efforts, yet the amount of fic they produced could fill a tablespoon. There are lots of current large popular het fandoms out there right now. Grey's Anatomy. Bones. Vampire Diaries that I already mentioned. OUaT is new but rapidly growing. Tiva and Caskett have legions of followers. Don't judge everything off the AO3 fic stats.

[(Anonymous)]

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom.

It's the least subjective one.

I'm currently into NCIS, SPN, Sherlock and Castle and I can't think of a single parameter as far as online presence goes that could place Caskett or Tiva anywhere near the other two's main slash pairings in popularity.

Maybe Delena in TVD could rival them, but that's about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh and I can't believe I forgot this, but could I call your attention to a minor little thing called "Twilight"? (Not that I'm endorsing it, but...no one can say it's not a "het juggernaut".)

There's also Hunger Games - also big. Also het.

[(Anonymous)]

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

twilight and the hunger games?

[(Anonymous)]

Also A:TLA/LoK. Zutara, anyone?

[tyger66]

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash. And anyone who thinks that Harry Potter has more het fans than slash fans is probably kind of insane.

[(Anonymous)]

Harmonians, tho.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Because Draco/Hermonie beats Drarry by a small margin.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL wut? Harry/Hermione and Ron/Heromine are far and away the biggest ships in the fandom. Sure there's Sirius/Remus and Draco/Harry, and there big in their own right but they weren't huge as those two mentioned above.

I mean, most of the ship wars and drama? Was around those two het pairings.

So you're kinda "insane" thinking that HP wasn't/isn't a het-heavy fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I would actually say that SG-1 was mostly slash.

Hmmm. 8869 stories for Jack & Sam on ff.net. 2496 Jack/Sam stories at Heliopolis + 656 at Helio2. 4266 stories at samandjack.net.

For Jack/Daniel - 2250 fics on Alpha Gate, 11977 stories on Area 52, and 2236 stories on ff.net.

I think "mostly slash" is a huge exaggeration. At best, allowing for some duplication in posting, I think the most you could say is that they're about the same.

[(Anonymous)]

Book fandoms are mostly het: Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Percy Jackson.

For cartoons, you have A:TLA and Legend of Korra. In terms of anime, you have Evangelion which, yeah, is old school, but it gets bonus points since there's canon gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, and I forgot about Gossip Girl where Chuck is canonically bisexual in the books and Dan is bicurious. I mean, this was erased by the TV show, but still. Chair is the most popular pairing by far.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, there's more in anime, but basically, if it's shoujo, it tends to be a het-heavy fandom, if it's shounen, it's slash-heavy. There are obvious exceptions like The Big 3 of Shounen Jump (Naruto, Bleach and One Piece) all have het-heavy fandoms. Then there's series like DNAngel which was a slash-heavy fandom.

It really matters what is the male:female ratio in a title when it comes to if it's a het-heavy or slash-heavy fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

That's true. Evangelion has a huge dude-fanbase, for instance. To be honest, I've been pretty disappointed by the amount of het in anime fandoms for the most part since, from what I've seen, shonen is more popular than shojo.

Also, I thought Naruto was huge on the slash front with Naruto/Sasuke?

[(Anonymous)]

lmao NCIS? does that even have a huge fandom?

big fandoms are all about shipping especially slash. you must be blind to see that

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not denying they're mostly about shipping. I'm denying they're mostly about slash. Yes, there are a lot of large slash fandoms out there. But there are also a lot of large het fandoms as well.

And NCIS? Have you been hiding under a rock? Really? You are really not aware of the Tiva craze?

[tyger66]

Have YOU not herd of Gibbs/DiNozzo? Because that is a HUGE thing. and it is beautiful.

[(Anonymous)]

I have heard of Tibbs. But you will not convince me that it is larger than Tiva.

[(Anonymous)]

Good.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't speak for the others, but even if Once Upon a Time's fandom is mostly het-oriented, it's not as though there aren't any popular same-sex pairings. It's just out of the ordinary because Swanqueen, the big slash ship, is a big femmeslash ship. And then there's Aurora/Mulan and Ruby/Belle. I'm mostly a het-shipper and I only sort of ship Aurora/Mulan out of those three pairings, but I think it's kind of cool to see a fandom that isn't all 'ew slash is icky' but doesn't worship dick on dick action either. Most of the mentions of guyslash are kind of jokey, like some snickering about Rumpelstiltskin/Prince Charming/sheep or drooling about Mad Hatter/Dr. Frankenstein/Rumpelstiltskin rockband AU slash.

[(Anonymous)]

No, yes, you're absolutely right. I was understanding "slash" as used by the person I was responding to to mean m/m slash, but yes, OUaT is very femmeslash friendly. I should have clarified. It's just a big fandom that has very little m/m slash - it's mostly all het or femmeslash.