[ SECRET POST #2191 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

From ff.net

7,430 stories for Tiva.
11,910 stories for Booth/Brennan.
9,922 stories for Caskett.
76,304 stories for Edward/Bella.
6,376 stories for Katniss/Peeta.

Those numbers will rival most slash fandoms. Are they up to the numbers for SPN and Sherlock? Well no, except for Twilight. But you have to admit, SPN and Sherlock are in a class of their own, even among slash fandoms. So that's not a fair comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't say anything about the others but Tony/Ziva is definitely a small subset of NCIS fandom. There may be a lot of ff.net stories, but that is only a small portion of the fandom as a whole. On LJ? Tony/Gibbs is by far the number one pairing. And there are a number of other slash pairings. Not only that, but there is very much an anti-Tiva and anti-Ziva presence in fandom that drove me out.

And on AO3? The top 3 pairings with numbers of stories...
Anthony DiNozzo/Jethro Gibbs (1048)
Ziva David/Anthony DiNozzo (252)
Anthony DiNozzo/Timothy McGee (222)

There is no way you can say that Ziva/Tony dominates that list. Or even that het dominates.

So, no, you cannot count NCIS fandom as het dominated. Except, perhaps, on ff.net, which I don't really visit.

[(Anonymous)]

So because you don't visit it, it somehow doesn't count? Both AO3 and LJ are heavily biased toward the slash side of the fandom spectrum. That's a well-known fact. They're far from being a representative example of the fandom as a whole. If you're going to say that number of fics is the "least subjective" way to tell the size of a fandom, you can't just throw out the numbers that you don't like when they don't support your theory.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry. I should have prefaced that by saying I was a different anon. I am the same anon who mentioned the AO3 stats, though.

I wouldn't say that fics are the only way to say how dominant slash/het is in a fandom. And I'm willing to factor in FF.net. But I'm saying it's part of a whole. When I go to TV Guide (or other similar sources), when I use LJ, when I use AO3, etc., Tony fans, particularly Tony/Gibbs fans are by far what I see. I used to help with the LJ fandom newsletter and the LJ fic awards, and Tiva was nowhere near the top of the fic heap. And was dwarfed in discussion. And was the only ship with a community bashing it. So, I'm willing to include FF.net in the analysis, but only as a part of it. Yes, it seems Tony/Ziva is more popular there, but I posit that slash is more popular everywhere else. Making me feel that slash is very much the dominant mindset in that fandom.

I'm not going to comment on the point as a whole. As I know several slash-based, het-based, and even a few femslash-based fandoms. However, from everything I've seen, I would definitely put NCIS in the slash-based fandoms. YMMV, as it seems it does.

[(Anonymous)]

My apologies - I did assume you were the same anon from earlier in the thread. I agree that fics aren't the only way to tell. But there are a lot of different spaces in fandom. And sometimes if you spend a lot of time in one type of space, it's easy to lose perspective. When I was in SGA fandom I spent a lot of time on both Gateworld and LJ. And it was amazing the differences in perspectives. There really were people on Gateworld who would not believe me when I tried to explain that McShep was the dominant ship (by quite a bit) in SGA. And every once in a while I ran into people on LJ that were honestly shocked when they happened to discover that Sheppard/Weir was actually the major het ship in the fandom instead of a rare pairing.

I don't know about TVGuide so much. I think you're right that there may be more of an anti-Tiva sentiment there. My major entertainment source though is TVLine, and the Tiva shippers are huge there.