[ SECRET POST #2191 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2191 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

... and mostly old-school, some close to inactive, like The X-Files. A show from the early 90s? Come on. Not to mention that in the case of SG-1, Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

[(Anonymous)]

Jack/Daniel is the top dog pairing.

I think you'd find that really hard to prove, especially since the Sam/Jack shippers are still going strong and Jack/Daniel kind of died out around the time RDA left the show.

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom. Chuck fandom was large enough to achieve notoriety for their save-the-show efforts, yet the amount of fic they produced could fill a tablespoon. There are lots of current large popular het fandoms out there right now. Grey's Anatomy. Bones. Vampire Diaries that I already mentioned. OUaT is new but rapidly growing. Tiva and Caskett have legions of followers. Don't judge everything off the AO3 fic stats.

[(Anonymous)]

And I maintain that fic production isn't the only judge of the size of a fandom.

It's the least subjective one.

I'm currently into NCIS, SPN, Sherlock and Castle and I can't think of a single parameter as far as online presence goes that could place Caskett or Tiva anywhere near the other two's main slash pairings in popularity.

Maybe Delena in TVD could rival them, but that's about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, and Teen Wolf. I don't think even Delena can rival Sterek.

[(Anonymous)]

Delena stories on ff.net - 7112
Sterek stories on AO3 - 6911

Delena still has Sterek beat, even taking into consideration AO3's heavy slash emphasis. (Seriously, everyone knows that you don't go to AO3 for het. It's getting better, but it's still slash-dominated. Het fans are only recently starting to get familiar with it.)

[(Anonymous)]

From ff.net

7,430 stories for Tiva.
11,910 stories for Booth/Brennan.
9,922 stories for Caskett.
76,304 stories for Edward/Bella.
6,376 stories for Katniss/Peeta.

Those numbers will rival most slash fandoms. Are they up to the numbers for SPN and Sherlock? Well no, except for Twilight. But you have to admit, SPN and Sherlock are in a class of their own, even among slash fandoms. So that's not a fair comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't say anything about the others but Tony/Ziva is definitely a small subset of NCIS fandom. There may be a lot of ff.net stories, but that is only a small portion of the fandom as a whole. On LJ? Tony/Gibbs is by far the number one pairing. And there are a number of other slash pairings. Not only that, but there is very much an anti-Tiva and anti-Ziva presence in fandom that drove me out.

And on AO3? The top 3 pairings with numbers of stories...
Anthony DiNozzo/Jethro Gibbs (1048)
Ziva David/Anthony DiNozzo (252)
Anthony DiNozzo/Timothy McGee (222)

There is no way you can say that Ziva/Tony dominates that list. Or even that het dominates.

So, no, you cannot count NCIS fandom as het dominated. Except, perhaps, on ff.net, which I don't really visit.

[(Anonymous)]

So because you don't visit it, it somehow doesn't count? Both AO3 and LJ are heavily biased toward the slash side of the fandom spectrum. That's a well-known fact. They're far from being a representative example of the fandom as a whole. If you're going to say that number of fics is the "least subjective" way to tell the size of a fandom, you can't just throw out the numbers that you don't like when they don't support your theory.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry. I should have prefaced that by saying I was a different anon. I am the same anon who mentioned the AO3 stats, though.

I wouldn't say that fics are the only way to say how dominant slash/het is in a fandom. And I'm willing to factor in FF.net. But I'm saying it's part of a whole. When I go to TV Guide (or other similar sources), when I use LJ, when I use AO3, etc., Tony fans, particularly Tony/Gibbs fans are by far what I see. I used to help with the LJ fandom newsletter and the LJ fic awards, and Tiva was nowhere near the top of the fic heap. And was dwarfed in discussion. And was the only ship with a community bashing it. So, I'm willing to include FF.net in the analysis, but only as a part of it. Yes, it seems Tony/Ziva is more popular there, but I posit that slash is more popular everywhere else. Making me feel that slash is very much the dominant mindset in that fandom.

I'm not going to comment on the point as a whole. As I know several slash-based, het-based, and even a few femslash-based fandoms. However, from everything I've seen, I would definitely put NCIS in the slash-based fandoms. YMMV, as it seems it does.

[(Anonymous)]

My apologies - I did assume you were the same anon from earlier in the thread. I agree that fics aren't the only way to tell. But there are a lot of different spaces in fandom. And sometimes if you spend a lot of time in one type of space, it's easy to lose perspective. When I was in SGA fandom I spent a lot of time on both Gateworld and LJ. And it was amazing the differences in perspectives. There really were people on Gateworld who would not believe me when I tried to explain that McShep was the dominant ship (by quite a bit) in SGA. And every once in a while I ran into people on LJ that were honestly shocked when they happened to discover that Sheppard/Weir was actually the major het ship in the fandom instead of a rare pairing.

I don't know about TVGuide so much. I think you're right that there may be more of an anti-Tiva sentiment there. My major entertainment source though is TVLine, and the Tiva shippers are huge there.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh and I can't believe I forgot this, but could I call your attention to a minor little thing called "Twilight"? (Not that I'm endorsing it, but...no one can say it's not a "het juggernaut".)

There's also Hunger Games - also big. Also het.

[(Anonymous)]

There really hasn't been any recent het juggernaut source material to rival the likes of SPN/Sherlock/Avengers/Teen Wolf/Merlin/SGA/Inception/cinematic middle earth in quite a while.

twilight and the hunger games?

[(Anonymous)]

Also A:TLA/LoK. Zutara, anyone?