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fandomsecrets2013-01-02 06:55 pm
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-03 01:18 am (UTC)(link)sorry. "deal with it" was a bit harsh. i guess i just got a little annoyed because i see people denying the existence of white privilege a lot.
i do use the idea of privilege to combat bigotry in real life. i do use it to make people irl think more about their actions and mindsets and hopefully change those ideas.
for this reason, i think it sometimes is useful to discuss privilege. people need to understand the privilege they have in order not to abuse it or forget the needs of others who don't have it.
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That's how you sound to the world when you use those terms. Nobody wants to be told why their life is so great when they are living it and know that's not it at all.
There are very narrow circumstances in which you can discuss this. Very fucking narrow. The rest of the time you just sound like one of them. Maybe you are. Maybe you aren't. But that's what you sound like and that's how you'll be treated.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-03 01:37 am (UTC)(link)(once again this only applies to white-majority countries though. other countries have different dynamics.)
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There is also admittedly a truth that a lot of people don't care about things that don't directly affect them. Which is where the proper definition of privilege certainly applies: What's foreign to folks doesn't always get noticed by them. Which means people can be dismissive or even hostile when these subjects are introduced. I think that's where discretion comes in: misapplied or mistimed discussions can have an overall negative effect in what you are trying to convey.
This is not the "tone" argument. This is the "know your audience" one.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-03 01:57 am (UTC)(link)however, for the part about that statement: it probably wasn't necessary the second time, you're right. i wasn't planning to put it again after that. but as someone who's lived in non-white-majority countries, it does annoy me a lot when people act like those are the only type of societies that exist and outright dismiss any alternative perspectives.
i just wanted to add a clarifier instead of ignoring a huge percentage of the world. but now that i reread it, you're right, the second time i added it did come off as pretty patronising and i'm sorry for that.
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I'd put forth that while you certainly don't have to become something like, well, me... you don't have to bend over backwards and be ultra cautious either. As you realize, that can look bad itself. But more individually, you can end up stressing over what you say so much you forget to, you know, have fun in places like this.
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You know those people in college classrooms discussing privilege? Being able to attend college generally means they're somehow privileged.
The question is: do the people you talk to "irl" actually think more about their actions and mindsets just because someone said the magic P word?
"Hi. I'm a bisexual woman and thus don't have straight white male privilege. Please ignore the fact that my parents are upper middle class and respect my orientation, I've got an internship that might very well lead to a job when I graduate, that I am perfectly healthy and reasonably attractive my current social standards. I am outside this one group and thus oppressed." It's So. Fucking. Intellectually lazy.
I'm a diehard feminist half-minority academic and even I think this shit is getting annoying. Nothing personal, Anon. You're probably fine.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-03 01:47 am (UTC)(link)i'm also not arguing that being marginalised in one area =/= I AM EXTREMELY OPPRESSED DOWN WITH THE OPPRESSORS. that's more of the SJW bullshit right there. people (especially SJW) tend to ignore that being marginalised/privileged in one area only applies to that one area. there is not only "privileged people" vs "non-privileged people". it's possible to not have white privilege while still having straight privilege. however, they like to think that they are SUPER SUPER OPPRESSED just because they're outside one single group. that's what leads to misunderstandings.
and it's not really the word "privilege" that magically opens people's minds in real life. it's more the concept of it. there's many people, especially in a non-racially-conscious area like mine, who have never even considered the fact that being white can avoid them a lot of judgement, racial profiling, lower wages and even unfair incarceration, while these things occur regularly to POC.
...sorry, that ended up as super tl;dr.
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