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So I've been watching Doctor Who and I just got to the fifth season. My sister, who is pretty into DW and adores the eleventh doctor, has been really happy about my liking the show so far and is eagerly awaiting my seal of approval on him in particular.

There is a problem, though. Mostly Eleven is fine. He's bubbly and runs around saving the world and being charmingly bonkers and everything, but occasionally, he gets really mad and snaps at Amy, yelling at her to just shut up and do as he says. And I just... I've never wanted to smack someone before, but when he does that I want to haul off and hit him so hard that he, like, spins around in a little circle and falls over. It pisses me off so bad.

He's done it twice in six episodes, which isn't very often really. And the rest of it is great imo. But I'm sensing a pattern, and it's really troubling me. My sister is going to be sad. I can't exactly tell her I'm doing extra on my weightlifting routine because Eleven made me want to be strong enough to be able to smack someone hard enough to knock them over if they did that to me. (It's a weirdly specific fantasy, I know.) So uh... what do I do? Does Eleven get better/apologize for the yelling? If he doesn't, is the rest of the season worth watching anyway? I don't want to make my sister sad, but the yelling bit seems to be a deal-breaker for me.

Yeah, he stops the yelling as far as I remember. If you want perspective on his motivations, it's abundantly clear he really thinks of Amy as still being 7-year-old Amelia and has a hard time thinking of her as an adult instead of a little kid he needs to protect, so he lapses into "go to your room" mode occasionally. And of course she promptly blows him off like "oh you silly old man you" which is awesome. I dunno if you've seen "Amy's Choice" yet, but I think that's the moment where he really realizes that Amy's not a kid.

Am I right that the two examples you're thinking of are The Beast Below and Vampires in Venice? I didn't have a problem with it in The Beast Below because Amy showed him up so completely for underestimating her, but the one in Vampires bugged me more because he did it because Rory pretty much told him to. Which...y'know, Rory's not her frickin' dad.

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Oh, I should have added: but y'know, that's actually still kind of an awesome motivation for weight-lifting, because as much as I adore 11 he REALLY could use a good smack every once in a while :D

(to be honest, I can't think of an incarnation of the Doctor who didn't deserve a good smack once in a while. Even Five-the-sweetie deserved a couple for some of his more appalling thoughtless child endangerment.)

Ahaha, ty! I'm trying to think more "in case someone IRL does it" instead of "GOTTA SMACK THE DOCTOR" because it could legit be useful! Some people IRL need hitting in certain situations, and I might as well be prepared if I'm gonna have to be the one to do it, God forbid.

But my true motivation is undeniably to smack Eleven so hard he gets a hand-shaped bruise on his face.

Well thank fuck for that! And yes, those are the two examples, I've just finished Vampires in Venice.

I have to say though, the perspective makes it even worse. One thing to yell at an adult, but doing that to a kid is just unconscionable to me. The (perceived) power imbalance, and the lack of respect for her autonomy... God, that's just horrible. I have issues, I guess.

Anyway, I haven't watched Amy's Choice yet, I'll probably get to it tomorrow. Thank you, anon!

Huh, I never thought about it that way before. I guess I'm of the opinion that yelling at (someone you think is) a kid to behave because you think they don't know how to protect themself is better than yelling at an adult and trying to boss them around.

But maybe I just have a different experience with it, because I was a risk-taking little rebellious brat when I was a kid and whenever my parents got really furious at me was when I knew I had really done something dangerous to my safety and scared them shitless; I didn't really take their warnings and instructions seriously otherwise.

Hmmm, you have a valid point! Yelling in that situation wouldn't be so bad, since it's not a lack of respect motivating it. I think I would have objected to Eleven's yelling at Amy a lot less if he weren't already traipsing into highly dangerous situations with her and stuff.

I think I would have objected to Eleven's yelling at Amy a lot less if he weren't already traipsing into highly dangerous situations with her and stuff.

Yeah, he can be kind of an idiot like that :D I think it would make me mad if Amy actually listened to him, but since she kinda just laughs at him, (which he deserves), it instead makes him come off as a cranky old geezer, which transmutes as vaguely adorable in a "lol, I know you mean well and think you're oh so smart, but you're kind of a dumbass" way in my mind.

But I'll acknowledge that I have the privilege of not having any messy personal RL experiences or issues that can be touched off by that kind of behavior in fiction - not implying that you have them, of course! But just as an example, I could totally understand if people who did have them had a far less dismissive attitude than me.

For example, in the very same fandom, I have grandparents who were massively self-righteous and judgmental, and I'm pretty certain it's because I had to listen to them all the time that it took quite a while for the Tenth Doctor to grow on me, because he has those traits too, and while for most of the fandom those traits get a "well sure but who really cares?" reaction, it was difficult for me to see them as just a humanizing character flaw, although I eventually came to love Ten too.

(wow, uh, I kinda tl;dr'd there didn't I?)

Fifth season is pretty good, but I'm not sure about the sixth.

I love your new motivation for increasing your workout load though!

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