[ SECRET POST #2199 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2199 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Dragon Age 2]


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[Baby-sitters Club]


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[The Twelve Kingdoms]


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[Dangan Ronpa]


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[Homestuck]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 023 secrets from Secret Submission Post #314.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not an issue of whether or not the Chantry "deserved" it, but rather, do all the innocent civilians of Kirkwall deserve it? It's not like he blew up the building and all the debris fell neatly stacked in a pile. It was the tallest building in a heavily populated city, and you clearly see the fire spreading, not to mention all the lives that could be lost in the chaos that ensured. It's not just the regular civilians either--he KNEW Meredith would use it as an excuse to invoke the Right of Annulment. Every mage in Kirkwall became a sacrificial lamb ready for the slaughter without his or her consent. He knew this, but didn't care. THAT, imo, is what makes his actions completely inexcusable. He is willing to sacrifice all these lives of mages and citizen alike, all in the name of the "greater good," an extremely dangerous way of thinking.

[reanimatrix]

So what was he supposed to do, start a hunger strike? Spread flyers? Because I doubt any form of civil disobedience as you and I think of it would have done jack shit. Civil disobedience banks on value being placed on life, and there's no value placed on mages' lives.

Besides, you stop Meredith from killing all the mages, the point was to prove how utterly out of her mind she and her chantry were.

[(Anonymous)]

The decision to stop the Right of Annulment rests on the play; it's entirely possible that Hawke joins in on the slaughter. Your last sentence is exactly why I hate what Anders did. Like I said, due to his "end justifies the means" mentality, he is willing to have every single mage in Kirkwall slaughtered for what he believes to be the greater good. The issue is not whether or not Anders methods are effective, but whether or not he had the right to do so.

As for what he could have done differently, well, I'm hesitant to play this game because we can spend all day going back and forth picking every alternative proposal apart and I don't see "what if" as a productive line of discussion. Like I said before, the issue is not whether or not his methods were effective, but whether or not he had to involve innocent lives in his line of crossfire. You obviously have no problem with it, but I, and many others, do.

But to show you that other things could have been done, here are some alternatives. They may or may not be effective, but that really is not my concern. The point is that there were other options, other efforts to be made besides blowing up a place of civilian worship.

1. He could have confronted Leliana about the Templar abuse during the "Faith" sidequest. You can argue that she should already know, but the point of this little hypothetical exercise is to show other actions Anders could have taken, not to measure their effectiveness. As an agent of the Divine, it is her responsibility to bring to the Divine's attention that Templars are abusing their power. From what we can discern from the Asunder novel, the Divine is open to the idea of reform, and trying to appeal to the higher-ups (in this case, the highest) on the inside can't hurt.

2. Keep writing. Even though he was unsatisfied by what he perceived to be ineffectiveness of his manifestos, we know how important written accounts could be in changing the tide of public opinion. Look at all the books and autobiographies written throughout history that have played a role in drumming up public support for a cause. All it takes is for one person to read it, then tell his friend, who tells the rest of his family, and so on. I know he wrote a manifesto, but if he wrote about personal experiences that would have been MUCH more effective. His arguments, iirc, were easily refutable, and given his passion I imagine a heartfelt account of his horrible experiences in the Circle would have been more effective.

3. Attack lyrium caravans. This would severely cripple the templars, who are addicted to the stuff.

4. If you must, assassinate Elthina, or better yet, Meredith. Don't blow up the whole freaking building!

5. If he still wants the "oomph" factor, he could have blown up the Gallows instead. He could kill most, if not all, of the templars. The mages too, but he clearly did not give a shit about their lives anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

*it rests on the player, not play