[ SECRET POST #2202 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2202 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry, early today!

Also: I'm not going to officially warn for tongue-in-cheek "triggers" just to provide anyone with a fandom-specific in-joke when there are none in the secret.

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 140 secrets from Secret Submission Post #315.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i50.tinypic.com/xfrwj8.png

[(Anonymous)]

http://hetaliafanclub.deviantart.com/journal/2P-Hetalia-What-it-Is-279599601 CONTEXT before anyone asks for it

[(Anonymous)]

My favorite headcanon that I've read, though, is that in 2P world, England is actually a really good cook, but he puts chemicals and poisons in all his pastries and that, assuming America was still raised by him, was why America is so messed up and goes on killing rampages with his bat. Sorry, I read that on tumblr, and I just love that anon's headcanon.

Crying on the inside at the badness.

[(Anonymous)]

Get over yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you.

[tamabonotchi]

I didn't see the appeal to them either, but I stopped caring. No fandom can be perfect, even if most of the crazies left Hetalia a while ago.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the point of them is that they essentially are OCs with official character designs? I don't have much interest in them myself, but I've noticed that people seem to take a good deal of fun in thinking up their characterizations and interactions. I don't see how it could be an excuse for OOC when it's said straight up that they're different characters (unlike the darker and grittier fanon reimaginings that long predate them).

[(Anonymous)]

Honest query. Why? Because I get that they're OCs, but they also tend to have absolutely nothing to do with Hetalia. As in the nation, history, etc. aspects are never mentioned. I'm not always a fan of OC nations, but they usually at least are... treated as nations.

Basically these are original characters where everything relevant to Hetalia is stripped from them. How are they even APH OCs?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I would imagine the why of it, like the why of many things, depends on who you ask. Usually when I see the 2P characters, they're either presented as part of a mirror universe (something that was around before them), someone's dark side(s) personified by magic/tech (also around before them) or darker counterparts to the characters that exist somewhere in the shadows of the prime universe for whatever reason, similar to fanwork which presents the Nyotalia set as counterparts/siblings to the prime characters. I've also seen them used in "what if?" type scenarios; frex, "What if Character X was 2P!Character X but everyone else was the same?" They really aren't anything that didn't exist already, except that they have official designs, so I think a lot of people latched on to them for that reason.

Personally, I don't have particularly strong feelings about the 2P set, even though I do like some of the designs. I have read and enjoyed fics where they're used as mirror universe counterparts (even if seeing the same fanon in every other fic gets old) and where someone's dark side gets magicked/cloned/whatevered into existence, but the 2P characters themselves are secondary to that (pun unintended) aside from giving me something to visualize.

I don't see how they're inherently stripped of any relevance to Hetalia, honestly. I'm curious if we've just had different experiences with them.

[jedishampoo]

Why else do we have high school AUs and A/B/O AUs and firefighter AUs and Any Two Guys porn and flailing over America's (non-existent, probably) abs ad nauseam? Because a good part of the the fandom doesn't seem to really care about the nations or history part, they just want boyfrenz. And Hetalia fandom isn't the only one, it's just very young-skewed and hey, here's their chance for emo OMG HOTT.

I guess to each their own. I've written AUs myself, though they were one-offs and I never tried to take them anywhere because why bother? It would be nice if there was more IC historical stuff, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree that more IC historical fic would be nice, I don't get the condescension for those who just like to play with the characters. Hetalia isn't a history book (or even historically accurate), and nation-tans are characters just like any others.

I admit people tittering about America's muscles make me want to rub their noses in canon. We've seen him shirtless, WHAT MUSCLES??

[jedishampoo]

So I'm a little bit of a fandom elitist? ;)

But really, if one were to describe Hetalia to someone who was unfamiliar with it, you could start with, "there are all these cute little characters, and a lot of them are boyz." Well, that could describe just about anything. But then you'd say, "and they're nations." Ah, and that is the thing that sets them apart from everything else.

So basically, I was agreeing with the anon I replied to that taking the nation part away from the characters makes them essentially have nothing to do with Hetalia. And thus, for me personally, that makes them uninteresting and pretty much pointless.

But like I said, to each their own, and people will enjoy their emo boyfrenz without my approval, and they are doing it right now and probably posting "I Regret Nothing" chickens all the livelong day.

[(Anonymous)]

I can kinda get where you're coming from. What caught my interest was also, "There are all these kooky characters and-- no, wait, there's more-- they're PERSONIFIED NATIONS!"

Once I was actually into the series, though, I admit that I ended as much attached to the characters as to the concept, so I'm in fandom as much for character interactions as I am for historical/cultural trivia. So, Idk, saying that AUs or whatever have nothing to do with Hetalia just throws me off because they're still about those characters and their interactions (well, ostensibly) and it gets annoying to be told I'm not a real fan because I enjoy them (not to say that's what you're saying).

But, ffs, what I wouldn't give for a "Gakuen AU" to actually turn out to be about the Gakuen Hetalia verse, not just a generic high school/boarding school fic.

[(Anonymous)]

eh, I'm not really into it either but, tbf, people don't always make them grim dark. some people make the "2P" characters opposites in different ways (for example, there is a 2p!arthur on tumblr who, in contrast to canon!arthur, is a very good cook and a generally cheery and bubbly person). in any case, I've found the whole 2p thing relatively easy to avoid so I'm not all that concerned with it

[iggy]

Most 2P Arthurs I've seen are cheery and bubbly AND a homicidal maniac. Tehe cupcakes, tehe murder! Basically.

[(Anonymous)]

"Without being called out for it"

BRB LAUGHING.

Seriously though, I've seen way too many people get told their doing ~2p wrong~ when they don't match up with the major fanon version.

Also, to put it out there, the 2p thing? Mostly started by the creator as a design thing with the 2p designs generally being darker than the original character designs, so it makes sense fandom would try to do something with it.


Dsiclaimer: Not really a fan of the whole THEY'RE OPPOSITES!' thing either

[diet_poison]

I don't know much about Hetalia but I think that art is creepily adorable

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, I made a secret almost exactly like this one but I hadn't submitted it yet.

All 2p is is a bunch of glorified OCs that people can get away with calling canon because Hima drew some of them what, once? And then people get all pissy when someone gets the personalities wrong? (i.e doesn't draw/write them the way the BNFs do)

Tbh it's the main reason I'm not jumping back into the fandom even with the new anime coming out. I tried to start following fans again and all they did was post 2p (and 3p? 4p??) and reblogged stuff from other people in the fandom whining that people weren't portraying "their" 2ps right.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally like seeing a "dark" side of good characters and a "light" side of bad characters. It may be OOC, but that's kind of the idea isn't it? Like a polar opposite? I don't think it's that people just can't think up their own characters, it's that they want to explore existing ones. Nothing wrong with that, right?

[perfidiousfate]

I just...don't understand the 2P. Straight up don't understand. I read all the posts explaining it, and I get the mechanics, but I just do not understand why you would want to completely disregard the personalities of characters you supposedly love. I just...don't understand it.

That said, I realize most of the people writing it are probably young and excited, so I make an effort to ignore it. And also LOL occasionally - there was a whole thing a while back, where I think some people started a 3P or a 4P version? I don't really remember. Anyways, people were butthurt. It was hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

Teenage tumblr girls turning alternate colored charactres into MENTAL ILLNESS IS SMEXY and MMM BISHIES LICKING BLOOD XD

[(Anonymous)]

You know what's really stupid? They all have no idea what the fuck 2P means.

2P = 2 Players

As in a video game. In fighting games, if both players pick the same character, the second player gets the same character with a slightly different design. (Different colored clothes/hair, etc.) THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL. It's the same fucking character with a slightly different design, but these crazy 2P!Hetalia people took it way too far and basically took Himaruya's designs and made their own OCs, completely unrelated to Hetalia except in design.

It's so stupid I don't even