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Wait. Are you arguing that we shouldn't have campaigns that teach men not to rape?

Are you not aware of the rape culture we (at least Americans) live in?

Are you purposely ignoring a ton of evidence and studies?

Are you just trying to stir up wank?

I'd actually be interested in this.

I've read some fairly compelling studies that a lot of the way rape as a social problem is thought of and proposals to deal with it in both the standard police spheres, and the feminist ones isn't accurate.

This is spark notes, but it was mostly comparison of the number of offences in a lot of the east asian countries, cultural perceptions, and culture of violence - with the latter being the most influential.

Ehhh, I'd take any of those studies with a grain of salt, though, if they're citing statistics in East Asia as a comparison. Views on rape in general and reporting in particular are very different out here.

Academics are aware.

Even controlling for that the rates are almost certainly substantially lower.

I'd like to see receipts on that. Do you have a particular study you can reference?

Not to hand unfortunately.

Then again, do you?

For all the times people have called cite here, I've only seen it done by one person, and never the person asking to back up their own arguments.

You're the one who claimed these studies exist: the burden of proof is on you.

If you're asking for my receipts on "East Asian cultures have a different approach to reporting rape," I only have personal experience and observation from living for 3 years in one. But I'm also not the person who referenced a study.

I guess those of us who have been raped by women don't count then?

And what about male victims of rape, by men or women, it's kind of insulting to throw a bunch of rape survivors in with actual rapists because they share the same gender.

I share the gender of my rapist. But people like you don't care about girls raped by other girls.

Oh fuck you. I didn't say anything about any of that shit in my reply so fuck you very much. You don't fucking know me and what I believe or what I've been through.

That's because this argument isn't about rape in any way, it's just about demonizing men.

OH WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ!

Honestly, fuck them, they deserve to get a taste of their own medicine.

Thanks for backing up my point.

You're welcome, me.

...I'm going to assume you're a troll trying to make the rest of us look bad. Because THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

Die Cis Scum

Lmao.

Yeah you sure showed me. I'm really inclined to listen to crazy cunts like you callng me a rapist based on the fact I have chin stubble and a y-chromozone.

Are you actually serious?

Please tell me you're not

And don't ruin the "WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ" tagline please. It's definitely an appropriate response in some situations but not here.

I actually like campaigns that take this sort of "this is not okay and you shouldn't do it" approach to rape that doesn't focus solely on the victims, but it would be nice if they focused on teaching people not to rape or put up with rape culture, rather than only focusing on men.

Actually, the thing with rape culture in the west [including the US] is that men tend to know what they're doing is *wrong*, it's just handled in a way that makes it easy for them to get away with it.

For example, the tendency to tell women they shouldn't have been wearing those clothes, or 'Are you sure you're not just regretting having sex with him? Do you really want to ruin a guy's life because of that regret?*' There's even the general tendency to blame the victim, and/or accuse them of lying despite the fact that it's somewhere around only 1-2% of all reported rapes are fruad? [For the record, that's very very low compared to the vast majority of crimes.]

So no. Most men who rape know what they're doing is wrong. Point in fact, if you look at studies most are actually repeat offenders. Rape culture means that society tends to excuse what they do, instead of them not knowing what they're doing in most cases.

*Yes, this really does get asked

I think the biggest problem with this kinda of stuff is that studies differ VASTLY. We're often restudying the same information and making it say what we want. If you're going by an article on say, Jezebel. It's likely to lean to women as victim. MRAs are likely to slant it to theirs(And I must say it's not always "women are liars" But that they stats are often skewed and ignore male victims). It's probably somewhere in between.

There are studies out there that say as many as 40% of rape reports are false. One went as far as to say 90%. There are those that say it's smaller. I think much of the trouble probably comes from the fact that you can't really have 1000 or less cases represent a country. Every time you do it you're likely to come out with different results.

I think particularly with rape there's a lot of questioning that doesn't go far enough. For example a popularly cited report from a 1982 MS Magazine says one in three women in have been raped. A popular report to use in conjunction with anti-rape campaigns because that's a big number.

Most women (3/4ths) who the report stated had been raped had said they didn't think that had been raped. They didn't feel victimized. The director herself has said she now thinks the questions were too vague. There's still arguments about who gets to decide who was raped. The 'victim' or a study.

Most survey's never even bother to report on men. Looking now I've found several with the hypothesis that men are lying to get out of trouble. Confirmation biased victim blaming for everyone!

I think there's barely any work done in the area of homosexual intimate partner rape/sexual abuse. For that I've seen as high as 50% of lesbian partners report abuse. In the population of humanity 50% of lesbians is a small number, but if it were 50% of straight women currently in relationships we'd be shitting our pants trying to find who to blame. I mean gosh, we already are and it's not near that.

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