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[ SECRET POST #2207 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2207 ⌋

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Seriously. Almost everyone dies, and Torchwood has a fair number of gay/bisexual/pansexual characters so of course some of them are going to die.
Plus if you're going to throw a fit about Ianto, why not about Tosh as well?

As a bitter Tosh fan, it was pretty great to watch people brush her and Owen's deaths off as "this is Torchwood, anyone can die" and then promptly lose their shit over Ianto.

That. So much that.

+1. The coffee sending nutters will never stop being funny. As a bonus, one of my fandom enemies, a homophobe IRL, was on the petition with her real name. She cares about her fictional slash fodder, but not about actual gay people. Oh, the humanity.

The ... coffee sending nutters? Do I even want to know? (Answer: yes.)

DA here, I think using the term nutters is horrible, but what happened is some fans formed a group called Save Ianto Jones, or it may have been Save Coffee Boy, there were a couple. I was never a member of either, so didn't see what happened on their LJs, but I did read some of their public posts about the coffee. They sent coffee as part of a protest to the BBC, to try and put pressure on to get the character back.

Thing is these sorts of things worked in other fandoms, so I don't blame them for trying. The BBC just isn't really the sort of place where it would work, I think all the other fandoms were in the US, where fan pressure made a difference for commercial reasons.

I don't really think it did any harm, maybe some BBC staff got some nice coffee, and I think if you feel strongly about something why not try. I've never been into any fandom enough to go to that sort of bother, but I don't see why we should judge people for it.

Having said that, I dd judge the person who wrote the manifesto that she sent to the BBC, which was a copy and paste job from people's LJ pages, and I felt very angry that she used journals without permission, a lot had people's photos on them. Still those Save Ianto comms had over a thousand members, and I'm sure most of them were perfectly well intentioned and as horrified by that one woman as the rest of us.

Oh my gosh, this so much. :(

"Plus if you're going to throw a fit about Ianto, why not about Tosh as well? "

Maybe because while Tosh had that fling with Mary and Owen was apparently willing to go off with that guy in the pilot it didn't seem like an aspect of either of their characters the show wanted to explore as more than just a one-off or for little more than a bit of a laugh possibly? Jack and Ianto was pretty much the only non-hetro relationship or possible non-hetro relationship that extended beyond that.

Weren't people pretty upset about Tosh and Owen dying though? I certainly remember a lot of people being not fine about it. Maybe not to the degree that some were upset about Ianto although I think alot of that was also fanned by RTD's comments too. I remember more than a few complaints about it and people writing meta about it and being unhappy with Chibnall over it and him having to justify it by trying to equate Torchwood with Lost or something and people scoffing about that because Lost unlike Torchwood had a big cast so losing three out of five characters in four episodes wouldn't have the same impact.

Yeah I don't see the big deal in sending the coffee. It's not something I'd ever bother with, but it's hardly the first fan campaign that's happened or done something like that.

Also, Tosh went out like a hero. Hers is probably my favorite death scenes ever. I was just so moved by it (and I didn't care for Tosh one way or the other). She saved the city while bleeding to death and never let Owen know that she was dying. I thought that whole scene was brilliant. That's the scene that sticks out the most to me when I think of Torchwood.

Ianto died because he and Jack were too stupid to live.

Ianto died because he and Jack were too stupid to live.

This.

This is exactly what I hated about CoE and why I was completely unaffected by it: actually I felt rather insulted by it the contempt RTD showed his viewing public.

Not the deaths (though they were stupid and useless), not the plot (though it was so thin as to be transparent), not the whole premise (the apocalyptic stuff was really badly done), not the dishonest tugging at the heartstrings (torturing children, OMG!), but the stupidity.

The whole thing left me cold because exactly as mentioned above, the reason Ianto died was that he and Jack (mostly Jack, to be fair but Ianto went along), acted stupidly: your plan was to get there and talk them to death? That was it? We are the great and powerful Torchwood, run away? That was IT? The totality of their plan?

Color me unimpressed.

Yes I agree with you, that scene is embarrassing. All they do is tell the alien to go away! Then fire their guns at a bullet proof container.

As Charlie Brooker's show said, Capt Jack spent the episode telling them they needed him to sort it out, then after he arrives, there's a room full of bodies.

It was just shocking writing, and I do think that you could be cynical enough to see that scene as designed just to get rid of Ianto. Given CoE has the plot of the last Quatermass series, Quatermass has to end it by sending the signal through his granddaughter, so RTD knew that was how Jack would end it, having ripped off the plot, so why have the scene with Ianto's death except for a fridging, and even more cynically, to leave Jack and Gwen alone so it's easier to take the show to Hollywood. (That went well)

That's the problem with Jack. They spend so much time showing us how incompetent he is, sometimes intentionally, but mostly unintentionally, and then keep trying to tell us he's the man for the job. In COE it's not the fact that their plan fails even though it's a pretty dumb, ill thoughtout plan it's just the way they go about things that makes me headdesk because each step of the way it's like watching the Keystone cops. To be that consistently poor at decision-making and still manage to be that arrogant about your abilities I can't even fathom. After three seasons of the same thing I was hoping they'd just let Jack go off and live his life amongst the stars and stop insisting he be in charge of people's lives.

But fridging women in media is just as big, if not a bigger problem than fridging lgbtq characters, so the fury over her should have been equal. It totally wasn't though because... lol female characters and fandom.

But it wasn't even close. Barely anyone dropped Torchwood after Tosh and Owen died. After CoE though? They all left, and it was because they killed the one character that fandom thought it wasn't okay to kill because slash.

Tosh wasn't exactly fridged though. She was killed off, yes, but she wasn't killed off for the sole or predominant reason of creating maximum angst for her "love interest" or so he'd be broken enough to act in a particular way. I'd have preferred they hadn't killed her off ( I was mostly fine with Owen dying because at least while he was around he was given a fair amount of focus and development only second to Gwen really), but at least she was allowed to die a hero and with agency and being awesome and not like a dumbass just so her boyfriend would be all broken and sad and out of hope.

Yes fridging women is a big deal, but I also assume it's less of a big deal for lgbtq characters for the reason that there are still comparatively fewer lgbtq characters in mainstream media to begin with.

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