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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-20 03:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #2210 ]


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[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-01-20 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Add onto this the way the court system works, and you've strongly incentivised shoddy police work. In fact I would say that's probably one of the biggest issues. At almost every level the incentives punish full and proper investigation, and reward clean up and disinterest. Don't pay too much attention to that suspicious murder and hey suicide, everyone's happy.

Even without that, you would still have the issue of a lack of experience. Any given Met constable with five years on the job has literally dealt with more then the average career of a Japanese officer. And if you don't have that experience, it's very difficult to build an effective police culture - even if you didn't have everything working against you.

These are explanations, not defences though. Honestly, probably the best things they could do short of overhauling their entire system, is having officers come in from abroad to sort shit out on an operational level, if you get it going long enough, police are very effective at transmitting practice throughout the generations and continue the work for you.

Very ~white mans burden I know~, but it was what they did in Hong Kong, and they managed to turn the HKPF from a corrupt mess, into a decent force.
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[personal profile] visp 2013-01-20 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, probably the best things they could do short of overhauling their entire system, is having officers come in from abroad to sort shit out on an operational level

They won't even bring in foreign experts to help clean up the radioactive mess from the Tsunami.

“Even if a method works overseas, the soil in Japan is different, for example,” said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director at the environment ministry, who is in charge of the Fukushima cleanup. “And if we have foreigners roaming around Fukushima, they might scare the old grandmas and granddads there.”

And yeah, about Hong Kong. Although now that the Mainlanders are in charge, I hold little hope for it staying that way.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-20 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Well it doesn't bode very well to have foreign scientists coming in to help with the fallout when that would involve admitting it's been federal policy in Japan to bury chemical and nuclear waste in the ground for decades.

Side note: Don't drink the tap water in Japan, kids!

(Anonymous) 2013-01-21 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Now now now, that's going too far. Depending on where you live, tap water is as safe as it gets.
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[personal profile] visp 2013-01-21 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
A-yup. And that's the public excuse they feel comfortable saying on the airwaves. Ah, Japan!

(Anonymous) 2013-01-20 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I think you also have to question whether they have the incentive to reform things or whether the Japanese police force as presently established basically fulfills the functions that the Japanese establishment wants it to. I mean, it's definitely conceivable that the current state of things is acceptable to the stakeholders involved, isn't it?
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[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-01-20 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Majority of stakeholders. And I suppose it might be. Though there are signs of things changing. I am reminded of the outrage following an ongoing case of a hacker making the police look completely useless, having a number of innocent people arrested and plead guilty, before he showed they were innocent.

That only affects the will for change, not the need.

I think it would be rather difficult to argue in good conscious that the current way of doing things is acceptable.
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[personal profile] visp 2013-01-21 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Well, the problem is that society is changing and the current methods don't work as well as they might have in the past. Also, the whole "we just need to quickly get someone behind bars and make all this go away" mentality is rather like using credit cards to live above your means - eventually it bites you in the ass. Because the more they do that, the less people trust the cops, which means the cops are less effective, because no one will talk to them or cooperate for fear of being the easiest target, or making a friend the easiest target. Also, the real culprits are still out there, still getting away with crimes.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-21 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
I was under the impression that Jackie Chan solves all of the crimes in Hong Kong.