[ SECRET POST #2215 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2215 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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02.
[Rose McGowan]


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03.
[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]


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05.
[Fringe]


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07.
[Touhou Project / Axis Powers Hetalia: Romaheta / Kuroshitsuji / Homestuck]


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[Being Human UK]


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[Three Kingdoms 2010]


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[Legend]


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11. http://i.imgur.com/fO4RU.jpg
[linked for kind of porny/suggestive postures of possibly underage character]


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12. http://i.imgur.com/T28p7.jpg
[linked for illustrated porny x 2 (clothed, but that doesnt do much)]


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13.
[Downton Abbey]


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[Xia Junsu/Tarantellera]


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16. [SPOILERS for Downton Abbey]



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17. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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18. [WARNING for abuse]



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19. [WARNING for abuse]



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20. [WARNING for incest]



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Notes:

Late day at work, sorry.

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #316.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - template ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[nyxelestia]

I'm so sorry about this. *hugs*

I mentioned it upthread, and I don't know if the "property destruction isn't abuse!" anon is still reading anything here, but I basically explained that possessions are an extension of self, and thus property destruction is an assault by proxy.

As shady as I feel comparing property destruction to rape, it's kind of the same principle. The reason why rape is so bad isn't necessarily the assault itself - often times there is little to no physical damage - but because of the violation associated with it. It is a violation of bodily autonomy, and it makes your body not your own body, but your rapist's body to use for their pleasure or problems. Boundaries are nonexistent. And physical abuse can kind of lean in this direction, too, depending on type and context.

Destroying a child's property is teaching them that nothing is safe, and that "you", the parent and protector, cannot be trusted to protect them like you are supposed to. It translates into a constant, unending fear, because you depend on this person/these people for every single thing in your life (food, shelter, clothing, etc), and they cannot be trusted.

[fuchsiascreams]

I do agree about the whole "let's not compare having your personal possessions destroyed to being raped", but what you pointed out is true - it's not so much the actual item being destroyed, just like it's not the actual "someone forced me to have sex and I didn't want to", that traumatizes people. It's the complete lack of regard for your personal space, possessions and feelings, and the reinforcement of the idea that you do not really own things that belong to you, and anyone can come and take them from you at any time and do whatever they want with them, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not "BAWWW MY LAPTOP, NOW I HAVE TO GO BUY ANOTHER ONE! DAMMIT, I JUST BEAT THE FOURTH GYM LEADER!". It's "I am never safe anywhere", because you have just been taught that your personal space does not exist to your parents.

Anyway, tl;dr, I'm basically just repeating what you already said. Thank you for responding, though. You and the other Anon made me feel a lot better about what I said. I honestly thought I was just going to get a bunch of SJWs being all "STOP BEING AN OVERSENSITIVE CRYBABY TRYING TO GET ATTENTION, YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON". So it's comforting to know that having that reaction is not me being stupid or irrational.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think all kinds of abuse have things in common, and you can get valuable insight from looking at the similarities. I also think this blogger (http://www.fugitivus.net/2009/08/25/a-few-things-to-stop-doing-when-you-find-a-feminist-blog/) has it right about the fact that the only way abuse can be trivialized is if you think that it's not always bad. I'd assume your understanding of rape is robust enough that a simple comparison isn't going to diminish your assessment of its harmfulness - or anyone else's.

I'm really glad that F!S on DW is a space where that kind of dismissive bullshit (SJWs being allowed to arbitrate what counts as real pain, and how one is supposed to feel about it) is a minority opinion. I don't know what we need to do to keep it that way, but it's the whole reason I feel like posting my secrets here or hanging out in the comments.

[fuchsiascreams]

Totally agree with this. F!S is actually one of the only communities on LiveJournal that I feel comfortable posting in anymore because this comm, despite the fact that many SJWs regard it as "pro-social injustice", is one of the most accepting communities in LJ. Ironically, the only people in here who have ever tried to tell me to sit down and shut up and stop talking about my trivial problems (idk, I guess abuse is trivial) are SJWs who have heard of me from sf_drama before. (Just a couple of days ago, some random SJW told me to shut my whore mouth in response to a post where we were discussing sexual and physical abuse. wat) I have generally found these so-called pro-injustice F!S members to be incredibly supportive and sympathetic towards each other, especially when it comes to people revealing stories of personal abuse. All you have to do is scroll up and see how many comments there are in response to the anon who thinks that smashing all your kids' stuff in front of them is not going to hurt them to see that this community doesn't tolerate that brand of bullshit here. I will love F!S forever for their response to anons like that and SJWs who wander in here and try to stir shit up for no reason.

Thank you for the link, also, I'm definitely going to read that. Right now, actually.

[el_regrs]

It's kind of sad that people can't talk about their problems without being dismissed because somebody else has it worse.

I think it's the whole 'keeping perspective' thing that's fucked up society's way of thinking. Yes, perspective is a good thing to keep (such as, complaining about a bit of knee pain...until you meet the guy who has no knee to complain about), but if you (in general) are taking sympathetic words away from one person to give to another person you deem 'more deserving,' what have you really done?

On the other hand, I imagine worrying about every person with a problem would make your head explode. Still, it doesn't mean you should start firing off STFUs because some people's situations aren't as extreme as others'.

I also don't like the general idea of comparing pain, and somehow judging who gets to have the right to their own hurt feelings. How stupid. Everyone has a right to their own pain, their own grief, to whatever feeling stemmed from the bad thing that happened to them. (Of course, when idiots start getting carried away with comparisons and judgments, I like to fire back the Mother Theresa response.)

[nyxelestia]

That tends to be my real problem with people coddling kids emotionally, or doing things like getting antidepressants when they don't have depression - I'm not upset at their actions, but that that their actions will skew other people's perceptions of a real problem. It's also my main problem with SJWs - skewing the presentation of genuine issues turns allies into neutral or even hostile parties.

There are people who are in positions somewhat similar to yours who really do need to just realize the world doesn't revolve around them and their feelings. But assuming you aren't lying and your story is true (which is exactly what I assume until I get strong evidence otherwise) then you have been through a genuinely traumatic experience, and I'm sorry that people have told you otherwise. I certainly know what it's like to look back on your life and wonder if your perceptions of it is because it was truly traumatic or just because you're being oversensitive, and it's a shitty feeling, so: *solidarity fistbump/hug*

[fuchsiascreams]

Thank you! ;~; /BROFIST.

And I agree - there is a difference between a genuinely abusive scenario, and kids just being whiny or entitled (i.e. my mom kicked out my brother because of his drug abuse, his refusal to get a job or pay rent or finish school, the fact that he was eating all her food and contributing nothing, stealing from her, drinking all day every day, bringing his friends over who were stealing from us, etc. He ended up in a homeless shelter. He considered that abuse/neglect. Nobody else did). The difference between "actual" abuse and an oversensitive kid is only perception, though, because they can still be hurt by it, and that's a problem. The only difference is that in one case, the parent did something abusive and the kid got hurt; in the other case, the parent didn't do anything wrong and the kid still got hurt. It happens, but I'm much more inclined to believe that someone has actually been abused until proven otherwise (for example, like that scenario I mentioned in the other F!S thread the other day with my "friend".. I can't remember if you commented on not). And accusing someone you don't know of lying for sympathy or being oversensitive is at best going to make someone mad at you, and at worst is going to traumatize someone further. And I've almost never met an abuse survivor who wasn't told at some point by at least one person that they were lying, exaggerating, or trying to get attention.

When it comes to SJWs, the thing that bothers me so much about them is that they seem to think it's completely acceptable to insult, trigger, or harass somebody for a real or perceived infraction of any severity (usually not very), and that reeks of hypocrisy to me. Like, why do you think it's okay to potentially traumatize somebody because they did something you don't agree with or think is offensive or tasteless? I'm not sure how many of my posts you've read, but just the other day I saw a SJW on Tumblr get called out for spamming the inbox of a girl with an eating disorder with dozens of pictures of food - just because she didn't like something she said about fat people on her thinspiration blog (newsflash, she has a mental illness). And this is somehow a perfectly reasonable way for them to react, in their minds, because they're doing it for a ~righteous~ cause. Equality means you have to treat everybody with the same respect, even if you disagree with, or dislike, them. It doesn't mean "me and my oppressed friends have the right to never be offended or triggered by anybody, but we can do it to you if we don't like you".

Anyway, this thread isn't really about SJWs, so endrant. But I find it really interesting, like the anon above me pointed out, how many people in here are more offended by the idea of giving someone sympathy who doesn't deserve it than potentially traumatizing somebody who has been physically, sexually, or emotionally abused.

[nyxelestia]

(for example, like that scenario I mentioned in the other F!S thread the other day with my "friend".. I can't remember if you commented on not)

I'm afraid I wasn't there for that. What, exactly, happened?