[ SECRET POST #2216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm, interesting. So at least one woman was good with his, uh, version.

I get so profoundly weirded out by some peoples' approaches to gender relations.

[(Anonymous)]

And (anecdotal evidence alert) I've known well many more female fans of both series than I have male fans of either.

Just one of those things, anon, just one of those things.

[ariakas]

Probably because, in spite of their take on gender relations, they were some of the only fantasy series at the time to include large sections dedicated to female characters, and female characters with agency, at that.

Men could go read shit that left women out altogether, or just foisted them off as love interests. Like Feist - his fans are overwhelmingly male and, especially in his early books, women were all wives or kidnapped girlfriends.

We've got better now though.

[(Anonymous)]

This was definitely after Song of Ice and Fire was around, though, which is something that I think you've used as an example of something that does it better (correct me if I'm wrong).

[ariakas]

Eh what? The first book of ASoIaF wasn't out until 1996, and the series didn't really start to get popular until the 2000s.

Eddings published the first book of the Belgariad in 1982, and finished the Malloreon (ten books later) in 1991. By 1996 he'd already started publishing the spinoff with his wife.

Jordan published The Wheel of Time in 1990. By 1996 he'd released the seventh volume.

Feist started the Riftwar Saga in 1982. By 1996 he was already twelve books into the series.

So... no? No it totally wasn't. In the 80s/early 90s there was a dearth of fantasy with good female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but I am not so venerable and wise as your honored self, and hence my experience, being a callow and immature youth, is from my teenage years in the middle of the 2000s. When I knew several girls who enjoyed Eddings and Robert Jordan.

More generally, I just don't why it should be impossible for women to enjoy those series for what they are.

[ariakas]

I.... never said they couldn't enjoy them for what they are, overly defensive anon. It's great that "several girls" you know enjoyed those series - I loved the shit out of Eddings' Elenium myself as a girl. He spins a good yarn.

I was just explaining the phenomenon of them having larger female than male audiences in the 80s/90s. Male fantasy readers had shit like Feist, whereas if women wanted fantasy that catered to them at all, this was the best they could get.