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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-26 03:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #2216 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-01-26 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Then...she still isn't a bastion of gay activism, at least in regards to that. IMO, it being an afterthought sort of makes it worse. Maybe she didn't think it mattered that he was gay, and that's fine. Good on her. But being an ally doesn't always equal being an activist. She passed up on an opportunity to canonically normalize a gay character in a well-loved series...for what? Because she didn't think it mattered? That's a little damning when there was an entirely superfluous epilogue about everybody's Normal Heterosexual Marriage With Children.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-26 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
But it shouldn't matter, and that's the whole point. Homosexuality is not normalized when it's some Different Thing that Needs to be Discussed at Length. It's normalized when it's incidental.

Dumbledore happened to be gay. It shouldn't be a big deal. The fact that it is is the actual problem.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Who said it needed to be discussed at length? I'm just saying that when there are no normalized gay characters in the text (even just by a simple, "his boyfriend/her girlfriend"), but there is a long, self-indulgent epilogue about everybody's heterosexual marriage, it's a little iffy.

But again, I'm not saying she's wrong for mentioning it, I'm just saying that it doesn't make her an activist.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like the epilogue because it's ridiculous wish-fulfillment, but because it's wish-fulfillment, I am less inclined to find it "iffy" in the sense that you mean. A heterosexual author is going to identify more with heterosexual relationships than with homosexual ones, and as such, self-indulgence, as you say, is going to involve heterosexuality. Does this mean that heterosexual authors shouldn't strive to include people of other sexualities in their works? No -- they absolutely should. It means only that, in cases where the author is clearly writing for him/herself self, it's understandable that s/he would depict the sexuality with which s/he identifies and/or is most familiar.

I don't think it makes her an activist, either. I just think it makes her someone who conceived of a particular character as gay and didn't think that it was a big deal.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone's homosexual marriage at the end of the books when Dumbledore was already dead?

oh. yeah, she should have totally done that.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
That is exactly how I feel. And if she'd included something more obvious about him being gay in the books(though I thought it was somewhat obvious already), then they would just be complaining about how she made him into the ~token gay~ instead, or didn't give him enough ~gay problems~, or shouldn't have mentioned it at all because homosexuality should be normalized.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
You seem to want to both insist she's not an ally and that she's not acting enough like an ally. Can you make up your mind?!

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, that's fine, but it's not like she's claiming to be an activist or something like that.