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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-26 03:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #2216 ]


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...you guys realize Disney's been doing this for a while, right?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-01-27 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Mixed feelings on the whole "she's royalty, she's obligated to forced marriage" thing, but most of the arguments have been stated upthread so I'm not going to repeat them.

I will say that "skipping over the horror" is pretty much the Disney M.O. If you look at the premise of most Disney movies - or hell, if you look at most children's media - there's a lot of Fridge Horror involved in most of them, and it's almost always skipped over in the actual movie/show/ect because, quite frankly, they are not the point of the story and the story is meant for children, anyway.

And I feel the need to add that the marriage thing was mostly a catalyst for the plot, which was really about Merida's relationship with her mother. If you expect Disney to 'address' the problematic nature of forced marriage, why not have them also address the problematic nature of, oh, I don't know, un-elected leaders/lack of anything remotely representing democratic ideals, here? Or why isn't anyone getting mad at the other three clan leaders for nearly going to war over the fact she didn't want to marry one of them in the first place instead of placing all the blame on either Elinor or Merida in this debate? Why not addressed the socioeconomic disparities presented in the movie? Who wants to expand on how sex and marriage were political tools for most of human history in a children's movie?

The movie is not set in the modern day, and it's childish to just apply modern day standards and ethics to an archaic setting without giving any thought to context. I hate rape and forced marriage, but I also hate war and mass murder even more. But either way, do you really want to go into that kind of debate in a children's movie that's meant to ultimately be about a mother and a daughter learning to cooperate and compromise to save their relationship?

The movie wasn't about forced marriage. It was about Merida ignoring the fact she had responsibilities as a princess which is part of the price she pays for her privilege, and it was about the fact Elinor was ignoring her daughter's genuine concerns and desires about the course of her life - and it was about them reaching a middle ground by the end of the movie despite all this.

Re: ...you guys realize Disney's been doing this for a while, right?

(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
I've never agreed with a comment more! Thank you for saying all of this.
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Re: ...you guys realize Disney's been doing this for a while, right?

[personal profile] world_eater 2013-01-27 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
This is a beautiful comment, I was actually going to say something similar, but of course you said it better.

Re: ...you guys realize Disney's been doing this for a while, right?

[personal profile] atgdng 2013-01-27 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Here, have the highest of fives.
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Re: ...you guys realize Disney's been doing this for a while, right?

[personal profile] insolentwitch 2013-01-27 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for such a well thought out post.