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The varying standards also apply to age. I'm glad the military takes scientific fact like age and gender into account over a social definition of equality. Having said that, it's disappointing that the standards in general have been relaxed so much just so that more people are technically eligible for service. Instead of being physically fit now you just have to not be grossly obese. Obese is ok, though.

You can be fir and fat.

Do you mean fit and fat? Because no, actually you can't.

Um, yes you can.

You really need to look up what it means to be physically fit. It is literally impossible to be both fat and physically fit. Being fat is an issue not because of appearance but because it impairs health and physical fitness.

Yeah, like those unfit weight lifters and sumo wrestlers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/03/opinion/wann-fat-and-fit-study/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19474239

Yeah you should look up some facts.

Your examples are aberrations and still don't prove your point. Sumo wrestlers couldn't physically perform the necessary tasks and exercises to perform in the US military, including physical fitness tests. As for weight lifters, they're as much a grab bag as the rest of the population; some could do it and some couldn't. Being able to perform a limited set of competitive physical tasks that have no application outside of those competitions is not the same as physical fitness. Even being able to perform the exercises to standard in the military is not a guarantee that a person is physically fit; being overweight affects a person's health (heart, muscles, kidneys, eyes, etc). If you are so dense that you require sources, ask any medical doctor.

I gave you sources but you ignored them. Oh well.

First links okay I guess but a "fat activist" and "weight diversity speaker" isn't a scientist or a doctor.

You can be metabolically healthy but fat, yes. But there's a big difference between healthy and physically able to perform military tasks.

I'm fat and pretty healthy according to my doctor. It isn't as if I can't walk up long flights of steps. I even took a crossfit class last semester. But I can't pass an Army physical fitness test.

Edited 2013-01-29 18:06 (UTC)

Did you go to one of those schools where they don't teach health and nutrition because parents complained that it was fat shaming? Or did you just not go to school?

My understanding of the measurements involved as an aspect of PT standards (on top of being able to do a set number of certain exercises within a certain period of time) is that there's a "if your neck is this width around than your waist must be between this and this" etc, but since I'm only related to/married to service members and not in myself I frankly can't remember the requirements off the top of my head.

Also, what's considered 'fit' in the civilian world is probably not the same as it in within the military. I'm sure people can carry extra weight and still run/lift/kick my ass/whatever in the civilian world perfectly well, but that doesn't mean they would be qualified for X, Y and Z in the service. (On the other side of that, my brother is just shy of being too tall to be a pilot (to his great relief) because cockpits are built a certain size and they just can't safely accommodate someone 6' 5" and above.)

Please don't reproduce. There is enough stupidity in the world already.

lol wut

I'm pretty sure no human can be a fat tree.

Well, to be fair they've overall cracked down A LOT by putting people on notice/kicking them out for failing PT standards now that everything's technically winding down the last few years. I remember reading recently that the army - who gets stereotyped for having the most people in the worst physical condition (which is totally logical since they're the biggest branch) - letting a large number of people go towards the end of last year.

Very true. The first step in downsizing the force is getting rid of people while still bringing in new and it's nice that they've been enforcing the regulations about the standards. They've also been getting people out on administrative stuff, but I think that's mostly been E8s and E9s with maybe some field grade officers thrown in there.

Right - and it isn't like people are told if you're not in shape by next week we're kicking you out either. My impression is it is more along the lines of "these are the standards as they've always been - you've got x months to improve on PT scores" which if someone cares enough is plenty of time to enact some kind of a life style change. :)

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