[ SECRET POST #2221 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2221 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The hero's morals *often* reflect the author's, and even when they don't, usually the world is reflected to show them anyway. If the hero does something amoral, then other characters or some consequences happen to indicate that.

That's really, really not true, in a lot of works. You can in a lot of cases talk about an author's moral sensibility on the evidence of his work, I won't deny that, but I really don't think you can do so in the kind of in-universe way that you're indicating here - that is to say, I really don't think you can say as a general rule that the universe indicates the moral preferences of the author. It's simply not the case that in fiction bad things consistently happen to people who the author regards as bad, or that someone will disapprove if the protagonist does something amoral. It's, you know, a little more complicated than that.

[(Anonymous)]

The only works where this is not the case is where the hero is explicitly amoral and surrounds his or herself with amoral people. However, that constitutes a very very VERY VERY tiny portion of fiction. It might seem big because there's billions of stories out there, but it's not.

[(Anonymous)]

That's, again, just not the case. There are cases where it's not explicit, or where the hero's moral status is legitimately ambiguous, and similarly the moral status of the universe. You're drawing conclusions from a small sample set.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, it is. You're simply wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

What the anon above me said. Plus, if it's a big enough subset of fiction to have its own archetypes (like the antihero) and thousands of stories in it, it's a big enough slice of the whole that you can't in good conscience say that the hero's or the world's morals reflect the author's, only to dismiss the many that contain legit moral ambiguity as "well, I didn't mean those."

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I'd say the fact there's a subset for it furthers my point: the moral hero is SO common and SO normal that there is actually a separate clause and term for ones who aren't.

Thousands of examples is still an incredibly tiny tiny tiny portion when it comes to the billions of stories out there. There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of blind people in the world, but you still presume that most people you meet or hear about are sighted, do you not? Because the great and overwhelming majority are, despite there being a sizable portion of blind people out there.