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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-31 07:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2221 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2221 ⌋

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[personal profile] aquila_black 2013-02-01 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
If you mean the people who wrote stories about Hermione running away because he beat her and stuff like that, I don't either. I figured plots like that must come from the same place as "Die For Our Ship."

OTOH, as someone who didn't interact with the fandom, I didn't like the way Ron chronically made fun of Hermione. I can understand how someone insecure, coming from a family with that many siblings, might have a pretty thick skin and expect the people around him to. But I can also relate to being 'the girl who gets the best grades,' and when boys responded to me by trying to shame me for knowing the answers, I wasn't inclined to give them the time of day. Not the first time they did it, and not the umpteenth if they were dense enough to persist. So the fact that Ron saying inane, belittling, and sometimes malicious things to Hermione and Hermione responding with acid remarks of her own was parsed as romantic was not one of the things I enjoyed about the HP books. I don't like that they ended up together, I don't think they're perfect for each other, and at the time it seemed to me like Ron would never understand what Hermione felt or where she was coming from. Or indeed ... ever understand that he was missing anything. For years, he managed to call her one of his two best friends, and still not be consciously aware that a) she was a girl, and b) girls are people. I don't judge him harshly as a character, and I can't explain why anyone would actually hate Ron, but it was a little irritating that the normal contingent of meta-y "let's love this story but also look at what's problematic about it" ignored all of this.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-01 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's up to the people involved in any relationship but those involving someone you have power over to determine whether they're alright with certain attitudes. If Hermione and Ron were comfortable with asshole banter with each other, power to 'em. It's not what I want from friends, but some people are perfectly happy and comfortable with it.
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[personal profile] aquila_black 2013-02-02 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, it's not my life. And Hermione did meet students of both genders who treated her with respect, later on in the series, so it's not like she had only one prospective partner. I have to assume she saw worthwhile things in Ron that made up for his less endearing qualities. But there were a lot of instances where she didn't seem happy or comfortable with the way he was acting, so I wish fandom hadn't uniformly interpreted their arguing as a sign of compatibility or mutual attraction. I think an author can ship whoever they want, and fanon can too. But in a fandom where people were discussing the strengths and faults of different pairings in great detail, I would have expected more controversy over Ron/Hermione as its own thing, not just in the context of wanting to ship her with someone else.