[ SECRET POST #2221 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2221 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[diabolicalfiend]

I both like and dislike it, I dislike it for the reason you say (and it feels like a cheap trick and I so hate cheap tricks) and I like it for how it means in respect for his relationship with the Time Lords. Of course he ended up renegade and empathising with the other, he was an outcast from the start.

Which actually, if you think, would lead him to resent humanity. Because everyone he's met tells him they're primitive monsters and he's part primitive monster, so when he encounters Babs and Ian, of course he's going to be a JACKASS to them and then he discovers that maybe, they're all right and starts to celebrate that part of him a bit?

[intrigueing]

Well, see, I get the logic, but I like that he was an outcast NOT because he was ~half-human~, not because other Time Lords didn't accept him, not because he had an inferiority complex, but because he didn't accept other Time Lords and their boring, stuck-up, rigid society.

He was an outcast just because he was himself. Because he wanted to explore. Because he couldn't stand the status quo. Because he stood up all on his own and said they were full of bullshit even though he had no personal stake in it and no one was pushing him to. Because his personality was that of a renegade, because he was the type of person who would steal an antique time machine he barely knew how to fly so that he could see the universe. Not because he was fundamentally different from other Time Lords, not because he had an identity crisis, not because he was driven out because there were things about himself he couldn't control, but just because he just dared to think and act differently from societal norms and say "well, fuck you very much, you're not going to make me change my mind".

For me, him being an outcast because he was fundamentally different would really cheapen him as a character. It would have the message that it's okay to act different if you are different, but it wouldn't have the message that it's okay to act different just because you damn well please, and it's the latter message that really resonates with me.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's lazy thinking. He's not a rebel 'just because he can' that's not a motivation. You're trying to say he's the only self aware person on the planet?

And what are you saying 'stand up to them'? When he was Six? Because that was just a speech about how corrupt they were. Then he left. I'm sure they were burnt by that. Or are you talking about when Eight/Nine activated the Time Lock? That was long after his renegade status and at the end of a war, his alleged humanity was neither here nor there?

If you're taking about One. He ran away because he was scared. He tells Ian and Barbara as much. That's not in any definition of 'standing up' that I've ever heard. I doubt any humanity in him would have caused the Time Lords to frighten him out, if you really want to romanticise him, it's likely the politicians saw him as a threat.

[intrigueing]

Not the "only" self-aware person, just a somewhat rare one. And...er...why is that not a motivation? "I don't care for my society's ways" seems as good a motivation as any. It's not overly specific and it's the one that consistently fits him best. Simple =/= lazy.

And...uh, I think you're reading my comment wrong. I meant "standing up to them" for himself, as in not just going along with their way of life even though he didn't like it, and not wanting to be like the rest of them (yes, I was thinking of Six). Not as in taking them down or fighting them or something like that.

On second thought, "standing up" to them was a bad choice of words on my part. "Rejecting" them would have been better.