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⌈ Secret Post #2227 ⌋

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[Roswell]

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[Gyakuten Saiban/Ace Attorney]

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[Pokemon]

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[The Vampire Diaries]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Les Miserables: Shojo Cosette]

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[The Hobbit]

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[Neil Gaiman, Mark Gatiss, Dan Handler]

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[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012)]

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[Power Rangers]

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[Star Wars: The Old Republic]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Troy Baker]

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[Magi; Final Fantasy IX]

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[Skyrim]

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[Supernatural]

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[Penn & Teller]

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[Flight Facilities - With You]

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[Neil Gaiman]

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...hasn't been legalised yet. It's still got three/four steps to get through, then through the House of Lords.

And yet.

I'm not usually an idealist. I'm the first to point out the problem in things and be all cynical.

But this makes me so hopeful.

I was almost in tears when I heard. I just wanted to share my good feelings here.

I surprised it isn't already legal. The way Europeans are always going on how cultural advanced and way more open minded they are to so called Bible thumping, backward thinking Americans, I thought gay marriage was already allowed across the entire continent.

Wow. What is your problem?

The sad thing is, that's not completely inaccurate. I wouldn't classify all Europeans like that (generalizations are bad) but there's definitely a pervasive attitude in Western Europe at least.

AYRT I didn't pick up on that at all during the five years I lived in Germany and traveled throughout Western Europe. Maybe the attitude is more restricted to some destination cities? I know in Paris and Berlin some (not as many as people who'd visited in the 80s and 90s led me to believe) merchants disliked American tourists and in Dresden there is still a great deal of hostility towards America and Americans (understandably), but nothing like the "pervasive attitude" you mentioned.

Probably a reaction to the frequency within which the discourse can at least seem to take on the character of Europeans hectoring Americans for their perceived cultural & moral deficiencies? The casual ways in which some people from Europe tend to make arguments, or even unconscious assumptions, about the backwardness of America and the comparative liberality of European mores?

I mean, I'm really trying not to get emotion into this, and please don't take this as an attack or anything. But I think there is a tendency for this kind of unconscious attitude to inform conversations (especially on the Internet, although obviously it would be wiser to take that with a grain of salt) and it's certainly easy to perceive, and it gets on my nerves personally at least.

But in any case - I think that dynamic definitely exists, not necessarily consciously or constantly, but it's there, and that's probably where the comment was coming from.

Nice try. Mekkio's was the only xenophobic and hostile reply to news about human equality.

Slow your roll, anon, you're being a little too obvious

NAYRT

It's not. In Western Europe, many countries have legalised it, like the Netherlands or Belgium, including Portugal and Spain, where Catholicism is still deeply rooted, but many others haven't/have a civil union and don't want to change it for votes/shy away and put their hands on their ears whenever the subject is broached/whatever idiotic reason they can think of. It is changing though. Ireland is thinking about it, France is just a few days away, literally.

All countries have their bigots.

I think the problem here is only really sensational stories cross the Atlantic (both ways) so people get a really skewed view of what's going on.
You can't deny that, while there are Europeans who only ever hear about the school shootings in America, there are just as many Americans going, for example, "Oh Europe. The French! They all have sex all the time!" (completely ignoring their more conservative slant)

Also Europe is filled with dozens of different countries with different cultures so they're not going to be similar. I mean, 22 countries have civil unions, 7 have gay marriage (with France and the UK heading towards this, hopefully) and then a bunch of others refuse to recognise it at all.

Well, amazingly, the EU is made up of tons of countries with their own laws and regulations. A shocker, I know.

Also, gay unions were already legal in the UK since 2005. They are just now finally making the step over to full blown marriages.

The way Americans talk of "Europeans" as thogh there were any kind of homogeneity there reeks of xenophobia, tbh.

Boo, freaking newspapers misinforming, I thought it was legal!!
(I know, I know, I should read more than just the titles of the news, but I hate when they are misleading!)

As an American, I am so happy for you guys! I think it will happen and I also hope it will help to make it happen here.

Hugs and rainbow cookies for all!

(As an American, may I ask you- they say they allow gay marriage in New York. Is that actual gay marriage or just civil unions? I read the newspapers but I could never tell)

I don't live there so it isn't any clearer to me, unfortunately. Some say marriage and some say civil union and I just can't tell :/

It's actual gay marriage, legalized in the summer of 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_York

Aww, that's nice.

It's gay marriage, although gay marriage on the state level doesn't have the federal tax breaks associated with heterosexual marriage because of the Defense of Marriage Act. But that is, I think, only a matter of time.

I'm glad we're on our way but listening to some of the against arguments in the Commons was pretty depressing. There is still sadly quite some way to go in people's opinions even when the law gets passed.

I was pleased to discover my MP voted for though, even though I didn't vote for him in the last election. It makes me feel better about my guy losing.

Almost there! These things always end tons better than they began.

:)

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but isn't it marriage in religious institutions only if the religious organisation agrees? I have a bad feeling about how limited marriage will actually turn out to be...

No: it's both civil marriage AND marriage in religious institutions only if they agree.

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