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fandomsecrets2013-02-14 06:44 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2235 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2235 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Transformers More Than Meets the Eye #13]
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[Agent Romanov/Black Widow, MCU]
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[Richard Armitage]
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[James Bond: Skyfall]
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[Frankie Boyle]
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[Michael Trucco & Sandra Hess]
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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]
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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]
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[Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, The Sith Lords]
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[The Following]
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[Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead]
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[Game of Thrones]
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[Jennifer Connelly]
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[Castle]
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[BBC's Robin Hood]
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[The Most Popular Girls in School]
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[Legend of Korra]
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[Steam Powered Giraffe]
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I think they gave it to Joffrey for a number of reasons: one, to make Joffrey actually seem like he might be a threat outside of the control of his family, to make him seem more evil, and yes, to make Cersei seem more palatable. Lastly, possibly because the writers thought of it as a really stupid move, and they wanted Cersei to seem not quite that stupid.
I really don't think she's supposed to be a hero, anti or otherwise. I think anyone who thinks she is has lost their mind, and again, really really wants to hate the showrunners for some reason.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 12:40 am (UTC)(link)Book!Cersei wouldn't have a wistful heart to heart with Robert about their failed marriage. Heck, BooK!Cersei wouldn't have even had a miscarriage of Robert's child because she wouldn't have even tried to carry his child to term. Book!Cersei wouldn't be horrified at her son being a monster. Heck, Joffrey probably molested Tommen and she cut him off when he tried to tell her.
The only time Cersei even remotely resembled her book counterpart was the episode that GRRM wrote.
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I presumed Cersei was lying through her teeth to make it less obvious to Catelyn she had something to do with Bran's fall, but I could be wrong, and that could just be my book interpretation coming through.
And it's funny you bring up Blackwater, because that was the episode that, to me, had the most obvious overtures of getting you to feel sad for Cersei, what with that lion and his mother story and her weeping in the throne room and everything.
I also seem to remember her very explicitly saying that she wanted to love Robert (to Ned, maybe?) in the books, so I don't think that's out of line. And I don't remember anything about Joffrey molesting Tommen?
I still think the most important parts of her character are there: someone who thinks she's a skillful player of the game but remains rather pathetically incompetent most of the time, someone who doesn't realize her only personal tools are quickly turned against her and can easily desert her, someone who loves her children and loves power, someone who resents her place in the world as a woman (and yet looks down on other women), etc.
What most stands out to me is that scene with Littlefinger and the scene with Ros. It felt clear to me that they were obviously making it clear this a paranoid woman too convinced of her own power and skill, and it's rather pathetic.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 12:53 am (UTC)(link)No, she brings it up to Robert.
She did try giving Robert a chance but on their wedding night he called her Lyanna and from that point on she hated him.
And I don't remember anything about Joffrey molesting Tommen?
There's a line where he tells Jaime that he would go to a special place when Joffrey did something to him but Cersei cuts him off when he tries to tell what he did. That Joffrey molested him is the prevalent theory.
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That was in the books, wasn't it? Or is that what you're talking about?
No, she brings it up to Robert.
Oh. Well. That is pretty out of character. My apologies. I guess I was trying to supplant my book version too much. Hm...maybe I should watch the show again.
I still stand by saying I never once felt she was supposed to be a heroic character. Definitely not a 'strong, independent woman in a man's world'.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 01:12 am (UTC)(link)But the show has definitely gone out of their way to make her not as half as bad in the books and instead your standard amoral HBO character. The HBO character of Cersei is not even as bad as Al Swearengen from Deadwood or Lucretia from Spartacus.
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In fact, it seems a lot of GoT has been about guaging what fan reaction was and trying to work around it. Making things like the RW in ASOS less obvious (not that they're succeeding).
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 12:44 am (UTC)(link)Then that shows how little they understand her character. Because Cersei is a really stupid person. See AFFC.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 12:50 am (UTC)(link)no subject
Other stupid characters: Brienne, Robb (people agree on this one at least), Jaime when it comes to anything other than fighting with swords
Characters can be stupid and you can still love them. I mean my favorite male character is Cecil Harvey and god have mercy is he a dupe.
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Besides, she manages some things competently in the books.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 12:57 am (UTC)(link)no subject
At that point in time being in the beginning of ACOK. When she is at her safest. AFFC is not her safest.
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 01:04 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 03:36 am (UTC)(link)I will say, though, that even at her best, Cersei was never as good a player at the game of thrones as she thought she was. If she were, she would've managed to teach Joff one of its essential rules (as formulated by one of our own 'verse's experts): that we must avoid being despised and hated.