[ SECRET POST #2236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]


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[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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03.
[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]


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[DBSK]


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[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]


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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]



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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I only know a little bit about Sam Vimes, but wouldn't he normal hang out with Javert?

...And now you have me thinking about Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler running around with the Thenardiers. Thanks, OP.

[loracarol]

Yep! There's even a quote made here (Night Watch spoilers in link) about it. :)

"Javert, the policeman in LM, is concerned only with justice, which he defines as the punishment of the guilty. Vimes, the policeman in NW, is equally obsessed by justice, but he defines it as the protection of the innocent."

[(Anonymous)]

See that sounds a lot more like Jean ValJean, to me. Other than a stint of cynisism having been 'released' his actions and crimes have all been about protecting the innocent.

Stealing food so a child wouldn't starve.
Condeming himself to prision to stop an innocent from taking the fall.
Fleeing from Javert to right the wrong done to Fantine and Cossett.
Fleeing from Javert a second time to save Marius.

The way I see it Valjean is concerned with Justice, and Javert is concerned only with the Law.

The only way to see which side Vimes would be on is to see if he would be able to see the law and justice as the same thing in the world of Les Mis.

I honestly think He's closer to Valjeans view point, based on his actions in night watch. The law allowed the unmentionables to opperate, and he rebelled at it.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also, Javert wouldn't tollerate Nobby.

[yeahscience]

It's also been made pretty explicit in the books that he tends to look the other way on the "loaf of bread"-type crimes. I agree that he's definitely more like a Valjean in the position of Javert. He certainly doesn't share Javert's belief that people can never change -- just look at how many former criminals are in his employ.

[(Anonymous)]

Vimes is far too human to be comparable to Javert. He would look at him as a weirdo, I think

[(Anonymous)]

Vimes would consider Javert ... worrying, I think. A good man in a fight, a good man to have at your back when your back's against the wall (see the Gorbeau Tenement, also to a degree the barricade), but also a timewaster, bringing people in for petty things that honestly the Watch hasn't got time for and expecting them to be punished. Javert doesn't have the streak of cruelty to make Vimes think of Swing, but he has enough of a similar mentality to be worrying on that level, too. Enough of a strength of conviction to be comparable to Carrot, but without Carrot's levening sense of compassion. All in all, just a very worrying man.

Though, really, Javert would be driven mad by Ankh Morpork. This is a city where criminals are not only explicitly and publicly in a position of power, but also explicitly and publicly acknowledged to be a significant component of law enforcement (Thieves Guild). Carrot took that in stride, because Carrot is made of much sterner and more flexible stuff. Javert ... not so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Though, really, Javert would be driven mad by Ankh Morpork. This is a city where criminals are not only explicitly and publicly in a position of power, but also explicitly and publicly acknowledged to be a significant component of law enforcement (Thieves Guild). Carrot took that in stride, because Carrot is made of much sterner and more flexible stuff. Javert ... not so much.

Yeah, I was thinking that. Although less "driven mad" and more "eaten alive". I don't know if he'd last a week.

[(Anonymous)]

... I think it would depend on whether the law of narrative causality comes down on his side or not. While Javert held to his convictions, even the nominally real world of Les Mis had a tendency to go his way ("Shoot, if you like. The gun will misfire." Thenadier shoots, the gun misfires). Javert has a similar force of personality to Carrot, and a similar level of physical badassery (again, Gorbeau tenement).

However, it only lasts so long as his conviction does. And in Ankh Morpork ... well, either he'd become driven to overthrow the status quo, in which case he's running headlong into Vetinari, or he'll crumble and lose conviction. Neither of which end well for him, but the former might let him last a little longer.

[blueonblue]

Read Night Watch! Seriously, it's really good.

[(Anonymous)]

No, OP, Read them all (the watch books I mean). They're all brilliant, but if you're finding that they're not to your taste do try to stick with them untill atleast Night watch.

[(Anonymous)]

I have Night Watch on my shelf, but only began it and put it down. I've found that of all the Discworld books I've tried, I like the ones about the witches best (Equal Rites and Maskerade, respectively). Then again, I haven't read any of the other books about The Watch, so maybe I'll try it again.