[ SECRET POST #2236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]


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02.
[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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03.
[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]


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05.
[DBSK]


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06.
[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]


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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]



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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]


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Comments

[intrigueing]

Excellent point.

But I'm REALLY scratching my head at your friends' excuses. It's a fantasy series. There's no realism to be "realistic" about and there's no "back then."

I mean, if he wants to write a series in a society where the threat of rape is all over the place, that's a perfectly legit decision, but "it's realistic" and "that's how it was back then" are not the excuses I'd use.

/tangent

[(Anonymous)]

You can have a fantasy setting with realistic human vices. Like I said above, I fail to see how magic and dragons would cause a medieval human society to rape less.

I mean, maybe if most people had magic they could protect themselves with it, but that's certainly not the case with ASOIAF.

[intrigueing]

No, I get that, I just don't get that their excuse is "that's how it was back then" when there was no "back then".

If their excuse is "it makes for an interesting setting and fictional society", that's a completely different matter.

[(Anonymous)]

this exactly.

[cassandraoftroy]

I mean, there's realism and then there's verisimilitude. Fantasy doesn't need realism, because of all the blatantly unrealistic elements like dragons and suchlike, but it does need verisimilitude -- internal consistency and logic -- in order for the world not to fall apart when you look at it.

That's not to say that GRRM is handling rape at all well in his series, if he's only having it be a potential threat to women even when men and boys are in situations when they would logically be at risk; I've never read or watched the series, so I can't speak to this. But the argument that fantasy settings need to make sense is not inherently a bad one, and using real-world societies to model certain elements of fantasy societies is not a bad idea -- it just needs to be applied consistently, which if the OP is correct, GRRM isn't doing.