[ SECRET POST #2236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]


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[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]


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[DBSK]


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[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]


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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]



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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #319.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ariakas]

Oh come on, why would you even post this? This is one of the most popular book series out there, and everyone who's read can tell this is complete horseshit. Quibble about who makes a "major" character all you like, but the fact remains that the books are still horridly skewed. There are plenty of "major" characters I just don't give a shit about, and things that occur in the background that I do - I'm sure many people feel the same. That you have to distort the way the books represent rape this way just to make your point in the first place speaks volumes.

I mean, come on it's been years since I read the earlier books, and I can still remember that it was explicitly mentioned that the sorceress who kills Drogo was raped, repeatedly. Tyrion's wife was gangraped - this is explicitly mentioned in his memories, several times. The Greyjoys explicitly rape, on screen, the noble wives - and some daughters - of knights at a feast. And that's just what I can come up with off the top of my head!

In the fifth book, which I remember more clearly, the female mercenary's explicitly mentioned to have been raped repeatedly by her own comrades, the Greyjoy captain sailing east has slave woman - with her tongue cut out no less - who is repeatedly raped by him on screen. The fake Arya is repeatedly raped - sometimes by dogs. (...And yet all everyone ever seems to come out of that book with is 'oh no, poor Theon!'.)

If we're counting implied rapes, well, rape is explicitly stated to be the Dorthraki's MO when the conquer, so that's hundreds, probably thousands of rapes we've got in Dany's chapters, the Greyjoy's kidnapped wives, the Greyjoy's kidnapping female slaves (while they throw the male slaves overboard, we are told they rape the female ones... and then throw many of them overboard). ...I mean, seriously?

The scoreboard really looks more like this:

Implied rapes of male characters: 2

Actual rapes of male characters: 2 (you forgot the priest from the fifth book)

Actual rapes of female characters: dozens (especially if we're counting multiple incidences, such as Tysha)

Implied rapes of female characters: THOUSANDS

Not to say that sexual violence isn't gendered - but it usually isn't that gendered, and there's a hell of a lot more of it when it comes to men in prison and the army, which we see a fair bit of in ASoIaF.

Finally:

Just because there's no rape at the Wall doesn't make the fact that the rape threats towards women in ASOIAF are realistic any less true.

Just because the threats toward women in the series are realistic doesn't make the fact that there's no rape at the Wall less unrealistic.

And I'm really not sure there's even a medieval society similar enough to the Night's Watch to compare it to for a purpose such as this.

How's it not? With the proper militaries you have camp followers back then, to be sure, but even today soldiers visit prostitutes on leave and that doesn't curb the incidence of rape. There's Mole Town, but not only is access to it restricted, it isn't even accessible from the other towers like Eastwatch. The Night's Watch is gender-segregated precisely like our modern organization in which the rape of men by men is extreme frequent are.

You calling it PG is pretty cute.

You can show death and starvation and cold in PG films - OP's got a point here, honestly. All the threats the NW face are the "badass" ones that let them be "warriors" and "protectors" rather than victims.

But you're really not going to convince me or anyone else that we should have a problem with the way rape is presented in the series.

You, maybe not, because you have a grossly skewed view of the series, but it sure looks like OP's actually done a good job of convincing plenty of people, so that just ain't true either, is it?

[(Anonymous)]

+ A MILLION

This was honestly the comment I was looking for underneath this secret, as someone not familiar with the books themselves. I'm seriously bookmarking it.