[ SECRET POST #2237 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2237 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/u7H9KZr.png

[(Anonymous)]

What the fuck? People agree with Nurse Ratched? Seriously?

Who the fuck?

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I have never met such a person and hope to continue the trend.

[rbhudson]

MTE

[(Anonymous)]

Are they on her side or do they feel the retaliation against her was disproportionate/inappropriate/sexually loaded?

[(Anonymous)]

...well I'm definitely surprised people agree with Nurse Ratched.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, she was an absolute monster. Really just one of the most hateful characters ever written.

But some people have tiny little brains that can't fathom the concept of a completely despicable antagonist pitted against an extremely screwed-up and flawed protagonist. Nope. If he's a bad person, it magically implies that she must somehow be a good one.

[(Anonymous)]

Except in this case it was a completely despicable antagonist against a completely despicable protagonist.

[intrigueing]

Eh, I don't think he was completely despicable. He definitely had some good traits.

But even if he had been completely despicable, that doesn't reduce her despicableness in the slightest. The things she did to all the other characters isn't somehow mitigated by the things McMurphy did.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing she did that was really bad was threatening to tell Billy's mother that he had been with the prostitute, and I don't think she meant for him to kill himself, or knew that would happen. And she only did that because McMurphy had basically pressed her against the wall and she was losing control of the situation.

The loud talk and laughter swirled around the nurse. She looked from Billy and the girl to the bunch of us behind her. The enamel-and-plastic face was caving in. She shut her eyes and strained to calm her trembling, concentrating. She knew this was it, her back to the wall. When her eyes opened again, they were very small and still.

For most of the novel all she's trying to do is keep things in order, while McMurphy is trying to disrupt things and cause chaos.

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't have to tell Billy's mother about it at all. She didn't need to be in control of the situation that way. What the actual fuck? You think a repressive abusive overseer is justified in what they do if they just want to keep order?

"Order" is not a good in itself. It is not inherently good. Order is a means. Order is only something good if it keeps people safe or facilitates the happiness of the people being kept in order. The hospital was not full of dangerous psychopaths who were a menace to society. It was for sick people to get better or at least have a somewhat worthwhile life they couldn't have outside. She wasn't making any of them better or giving them a worthwhile life. She didn't WANT to make any of them better or give them a worthwhile life. They didn't need to be "kept in order" that way. It was just control for the sake of the power inherent in controlling someone.

That scene you quote? It's not like it was a choice between her doing that to Billy and something awful happening. It was a choice between her doing that to Billy and her losing her deathgrip of suffocating lifeless control over the patients. Don't fucking make me laugh.

For most of the novel all she's trying to do is keep things in order

Yes, like I said. Order. Order for it's own sake, not for any greater good. By not letting any of the inmates ever make a single decision for themselves, even a harmless one, and not letting them do any that disrupts the routine or gives them a modicum of joy.

while McMurphy is trying to disrupt things and cause chaos.

And that's a terrible thing...how, exactly? Don't get me wrong, McMurphy is an awful person, but how was anything he encouraged the patients to do destructive towards their wellbeing? Except in the victim-blaming "he encouraged them to rebel so it's his fault when they get punished" excuse?

[(Anonymous)]

Are you talking about book canon or movie canon? Bromden does some things I don't exactly agree with, but I wouldn't call him 'completely despicable'.

[(Anonymous)]

We're talking about McMurphy.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't be on her side if McMurphy wasn't such a loathsome asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that McMurphy is vile, but that doesn't make her any less abhorrent.

[insanenoodlyguy]

McMurphy ultimately hurt less people then she ever world.

His biggest failing was not being able to finish her off. But at least he succeeded in destroying her.

[n7of9]

i'd judge someone who agreed with her...i mean, you gotta be some kind of messed up to watch that movie and agree with her - scary messed up

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen the movie, only read the book.

I don't agree with her, but the underlaying tones of racism and misogyny in the book, and in McMurphy's character, made me side with her against him.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if that was fair, it's hardly like McMurphy was the only person she hurt.

[visp]

Well, you can agree with her disliking McMurphy.

[(Anonymous)]

What'd she do in the basketball scene?

[(Anonymous)]

It's the part where the patients start playing basketball. They all really enjoy it. Then Martini, one of the patients, more or less on acciedent breaks the window of the room Nurse Ratched is in. He brings the broken basketball to her and ask her to fix it, because he really enjoys playing and she just takes it out of his hand and throws it away.

It's the whole part of somebody who has obviously no idea that he had done something wrong and who is turning to the only person he can think of to and asking her "couldn't she please fix it with tape or something? Make it well again?" and her reaction to him is throwing the ball away in the garbage. That is not a person who should be a nurse. It's not a person who should be responsible for the physical and mental well being of patients.

[(Anonymous)]

as I was reading this thread, I was beginning to wonder if maybe I should take another look at her and re-evaluate my opinion.

you posted this scene and reminded me THIS is why I think she's loathesome.

she's supposed to be a caretaker. clearly, in this scene, she's not.

[(Anonymous)]

Why, so he can break more windows?

[ninety6tears]

Echoing the "this is a thing?!?" shock. I mean, I don't remember the book very well, but I'm not thinking of anything you could really use to defend her actions.