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When the idea developed that natural science is the best or the only way of coming to true knowledge (or, more precisely, when this idea came to maturity and its consequences had time to sink in). Natural science seems to be incapable of deciding on the best or the final ends for human beings, or the complete truth, or what is true in things which are not matter of fact accessible to the scientific method; ergo, there is no final and satisfactory way of determining what is better or worse for human beings; ergo, it is the subject of basically arbitrary choice, and it is wrong to attempt to criticize or judge the equally valid final ends of human beings, since all choices are equal.

If it's impossible to judge, then judgement itself is rendered worthless - meaning you can't launch a critique of judging someone because that in and of itself is a judgement.

This is like philosophy 101.

It's not a critique of judgment as such, it's a claim that judgment is impossible in one specific field - that judgment is impossible between the fundamental alternatives for human life or between the different principles or the different values which humans might choose. That critique is an assertion about the differing human value systems, but it is not a judgment of them as such. Hence the critique is not vulnerable to itself.

Person I was responding to was making an argument against knowable truth.

If they want to make a more specific tightly defined argument then that might take a different approach, but as of now they haven't.

It's all the same anon, to be clear.

I'm not advancing the argument myself, so much as saying that people believe this, or something like it. And the claim was never about the knowability of truth as such, but about "the best or the final ends for human beings, or the complete [that is to say, final and full] truth, or what is true in things which are not matters of fact accessible to the scientific method" - the non-existence of a way of determining finally "what is better or worse for human beings" in an ethical sense. Scientific truth is certainly still knowable from this point of view; even philosophic truth may be knowable to some extent. But the final correctness or validity of any human value system is not accessible to our reason from this point of view.

I didn't intend to make an argument against the knowability of truth in general, and if I was unclear, I apologize.

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