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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

>haven't read the classics
>I just don't like them

Wat

[(Anonymous)]

yeaaaaaaaah i thought the same thing

i aint judging you for not liking classics op, but deciding you don't like all of them as if they're all the same without reading any is dumb

not all classics are the same genre even

[dreemyweird]

It is possible to try something and give up. Not that going through the first chapter of War and Peace counts as reading.

Plus it is possible to dislike things on the negative basis: "I'm only interested in [insert noun]", or because of concepts: "I never read love stories, since I can't stand love".

[(Anonymous)]

DA

it is possible to dislike things on the negative basis

it is still stupid to group every "classic" book as the same thing because "classics" come in every genre and plot and theme

you are saying that "i hate modern literature because i don't like love" as if every modern lit book contains love is reasonable

[dreemyweird]

Yes, I see your point; but that's only if you take "classics" as a very wide concept and include, say, Neuromancer or James Herriot. I was mainly talking about classics as in "Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Dostoevskiy and a couple of other chaps". Admittedly, the picture does speak in your favour rather than mine, but you're also implying that there are classical works in YA fiction and even in fanfiction, which I shall disagree with. OP clearly does not use the term in a sense that wide.

Also I thought rather about something like "I dislike classics because I only like silly and thoughtless literature"; I don't believe there are books that are considered classical, silly and thoughtless all at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

how was someone like twain not YA fiction in his time? Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, they are YA, and most certainly classics

"i only read fanfiction" means you don't read books in the first place. there would be no need to specify "classic books" if that were the case

[dreemyweird]

...Pornographic literature then?

They're not what one would call YA today. I mean, almost all the genres have at least some history, and there are historically/culturally significant books for almost all of the genres I can think of, but it doesn't mean that they fall into the same category as their modern analogues. In this sense it IS a matter of age.

It is all the more important with YA, for it heavily depends on all the things cultural.

I must admit, though, that my position was shaken. I thought I could easily find something that excludes classical works, but it's not like I see anything apart from pornography.

[jain]

...Pornographic literature then?

Satyricon, One Thousand and One Nights, Decameron, The Life of an Amorous Woman, Fanny Hill, Les Liaisons dangereuses, Tropic of Cancer, The Story of O, etc.

[dreemyweird]

T_T

Still, Decameron is not what we call pornography nowadays. Real genres are different from the theoretical ones, since they fluctuate easily.

Also (quote from the thread above):
"...I now think that the only category that actually excludes classics is the category of silly and cheesy literature that was purposefully created to be sold and forgotten. It does exist, though. And don't tell me that Conan Doyle wrote things for this reason: he sure did, but there are worse cases. Some people make teams of hack writers to do incredibly shitty novels under one nom de plume. These most certainly can't be good enough to enter history.'

[(Anonymous)]

what would you call YA today? would you define YA as necessarily including contemporary pop culture? that is not a definition of YA I've heard before.

is a book set in a fantasy world with a teenage girl dealing with universal teenage issues but fighting dragons instead of going to high school, then, not YA? if it is YA, would it no longer be YA 100 years later? :/

i've read classics. i hate most of the ones i've read. but at least i can say i know i hate those books because i read them, instead of because i dislike all classics. saying "i don't like all classics even though i've never read any" is just as dumb as saying "i don't like all fanfic even though i've never read any"

[dreemyweird]

Eh, no. When I was talking about "culture", I essentially meant "cultural background". It's not so much about themes as about the way the book is dramatic and entertaining; it should be dramatic and entertaining for the modern teenagers, and this requires some specific features to be present. Like, you can't write about something without "translating" the context. You can't write about the times of Louis XIV, use jokes from this time, mention all those tiny details of the daily life and not explain it with the underlying assumption that your audience is unaware of the connotations. Naturally Twain does not "translate" things; he has no notion of the context into which they're to be translated some hundered years later.

/this is my theory about YA/

That being said, fanfic does not qualify. One may dislike all the fanfiction because of its very idea; that is, all the fanfiction DOES have one thing in common - it is all unoriginal.

I do think it laudable to read things in order to hate them. No sarcasm intended.

[corellianrogue]

...Actually...

Can we count ancient Greek and Roman literature in with the Classics? (As the picture includes Aesop's Fables, I'm going to anyway.) Because... ahaha, please tell me someone else here has read The Golden Ass. Please. (Among others, but that's certainly the most complete manuscript.)

Or even better, The Satyricon. I shall let Wiki describe it for me, though, because it's been ages since I read it. "The surviving portions of the text detail the misadventures of the narrator, Encolpius, and his lover, a handsome sixteen-year-old boy named Giton. Throughout the novel, Encolpius has a hard time keeping his lover faithful to him as he is constantly being enticed away by others."

Not trying to say you're wrong about them not being the same as the modern books, btw. Just... the things you find in Classical Roman and Greek literature. Craziness.

[dreemyweird]

:D True enough.

I don't feel that blatant pornography is ever considered classical, though.

Pushkin, for instance, has a lot of poems that include obscenities; and although Pushkin is undoubtedly classical, it doesn't occur to anybody to include these things in the school curriculum or whatnot. There's, in fact, a fair amount of people who condemn The Gabrieliad.

[(Anonymous)]

Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, Catcher in the Rye, and The Outsiders are absolutely, 100% YA. I read and enjoyed all of them when I was a teenager, because I could relate to them.

YA is basically "teenager does stupid shit or has stupid shit happen to her during The Melancholy Time of Adolescence and Consequences Happen because of this stupid shit." That fits with ALL the classics that I also consider YA. Just because Huck Finn doesn't have any vampire friends or didn't fight in the Hunger Games doesn't mean he's any less YA than Twilight or Hunger Games.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry to bother you here but I saw you mention this soemwher else and have to ask, can you link me to that epic AVENGERS Thor Mpreg fic? It was like 36 chapters with a lot of angsts, at first he didn't know who the father was because he hadn't felt anything when Loki raped him from behind, he thought it was just a massage (lol), and the baby almost died becayse he didn't notice he was in labor. He was also worried about getting fat and bloated with fat ankles and anorexic for a while I hope you didn't take it off line it was soooooo good!

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that too, and I'm choosing to interpret it as "I prefer niche genres over the broader category of period fiction." Because most classics are pretty much period fiction.

Except Frankenstein. You have no excuse not to like Frankenstein, OP.

[cassandraoftroy]

Do I have an excuse not to like Frankenstein? I hated my eighth-grade English teacher and she taught it horribly (kind of like she taught everything horribly), and I kept being impatient with Victor for (a) continually fainting despite not wearing a corset, and (b) utterly failing to understand what "I will be with you on your wedding night" meant when it was painfully obvious to an eighth-grade girl.

[(Anonymous)]

...okay, I'll grant you that's a good excuse. Your "Disliking Frankenstein" badge should be in the mail shortly. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, that's why I loved Frankenstein (the fainting and the being a total idiot stuff). I've had to read it 2? 3? times and it becomes more hilarious to me each time, he's such an irresponsible idiot. That, and how sweet his bff Henry Clervall is to him.

[(Anonymous)]

(b) utterly failing to understand what "I will be with you on your wedding night" meant when it was painfully obvious to an eighth-grade girl.

well, i mean he was a socially inept scientific genius... isn't that a trope nowadays?

[(Anonymous)]

The casebook of Victor Frakenstein

y/n?

Someone gave it to me and I've never gotten around to reading it

[supermanda]

This is exactly why I'm here! I was hoping someone could translate it.

[(Anonymous)]

gb2/lit/

[(Anonymous)]

That's an alright reason to not read something? They don't like them...so good on them for not reading it?

I've always felt it a bit silly if someone forces themself to read something simply because others insist. Unless it's for school or your job, you shouldn't have to force to read something for fun that you don't enjoy. 'cause where's the fun in that?

[wauwy]

Don't pretend that shit written before 1970 or so (or shit usually chosen for curricula) doesn't have a totally different basic aesthetic, even in translation. It just does. OP can probably figure out they don't like that aesthetic after trying a decent sample size.

For instance, I only like poetry from about 1905-1965, with VERY few exceptions (like Dickinson, because she was an alien 500 years ahead of her time). I'm not going to keep trying Romantic or post-modernist poets over and over and over again when I do not like them. I'm gonna read what I know I like.