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⌈ Secret Post #2240 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

I don't mean to excuse Who fandom for it's awfulness, but the show itself is so fucking insane it's very very very hard for even well-balanced people to not to look totally batshit now and then, so you can imagine how jerks react. Like, the plots are powered by a blizzard of cocaine and the episode concepts are based on drunktexts, which means you can come off as just a douchebag, rather than a totally insane douchebag, while engaging in a screaming seventy-comment bitchfight over whether or not the minute nuances of a character's behavior while he was being mindraped by homicidal telepathic sunlight was actually the writers' sooper sekrit hidden foreshadowed masterplan to prove that a character was in fact a worthless chav who is an abomination of soulless evil compared to her replacement. Because that's actually a theory that is just as reasonable as sixty other utterly plot twists that have appeared on the show over the years.

Sherlock has no such excuse. They're insane for no reason.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair to the Sherlock fandom, insane and unforgiving disturbing as it can be - DW fans get to watch about thirteen episodes of the show every year. Sometimes split up so you have a shorter wait.

Sherlock fandom gets three episodes a series. Once every two years.

I can see how that could create some crazy fangirls who have way too much time in between actual canon occurring to invent their own headcanons and obsess over everything the actors are doing. Which, credit to MF and BC, is a lot.

Either way though, SPN fandom out-crazies them both.

[tenlittlebullets]

the minute nuances of a character's behavior while he was being mindraped by homicidal telepathic sunlight

*chokes on coffee, saves this description of Midnight for later use*

To be fair, Tennant's microexpressions in that scene were fantastic and well worthy of fine-tooth-comb attention. The only totally insane thing about that scenario is dragging crack theories about Rose into the mix.

And yeah, the actual canon of Doctor Who is ten times more batshit than anything the fans can come up with. Sex pollen? Sex pollen? Try dream pollen that creates a psychic manifestation of the main character's self-loathing who sets up a totally fucked-up rigged scenario forcing his future mother-in-law to decide between him and his future father-in-law, by killing herself in the dream-world she doesn't want without knowing whether it's reality. We don't need your fucking sex pollen. That episode would totally have been "fuck or die" if this weren't a family show.

I swear to God the only reason omegaverse AUs haven't invaded Doctor Who fandom is because the term is too easily confused with the far weirder cottage industry of elaborate theories whereby the entire multi-season plot is actually the machination of a deranged founder of Time Lord society who escaped genocide by hanging out in an antimatter universe on the other side of a black hole. Despite the <0.0000001% chance we will get an Omega plot in a show that invented a War To End All Wars and made the Doctor destroy his own planet solely for the purposes of getting away from the classic series' byzantine Time Lord mythology. And also that omegaverse (pronounced oh-me-ga-verse, thank you very much) would have to compete for turf with all the other bizarre theories about Gallifreyan reproductive physiology. Some of which are quasi-canonical. Loooooooooms.

To be fair, I can see how Sherlock canon encourages its fans to read totally implausible things into the text, given the "look for tiny clues you didn't even notice when they appeared in Act I" format. But the sheer amounts of crack? I got nothin'.

[intrigueing]

I was referring to "42" actually (I've seen SO much Rose vs Martha wank regarding Ten and Martha's interactions in that ep), but hey, the fact that that description can apply to two different episodes just kinda proves my point ;)

But omg YES! I've always been baffled at why Who fanfic is so unnervingly tame. I've tried to chalk it up to it being a family show, but that makes no sense. There's plenty of super-hardcore noncon porn and torture and the like, but it's all so....1970s Star Trek fanzine-y in its creativity it's positively vanilla by fanfic standards.

Then I realized that fanfiction often takes advantage of cracky OTT scenarios that they really want to see the characters go through but would never happen in canon because it would be too weird and derivative and ridiculous. But Doctor Who is already so ridiculous that in Who fanfic, normalcy is the equivalent of crack.

[tenlittlebullets]

*chokes on coffee AGAIN* Oh man, Doctor Who. "What was that episode? The one with the mindrape and the people trapped on a ship with homicidal sunlight?" "I'm sorry, sir, you're going to have to be more specific." But yeah, okay, the Rose wank makes more sense now. And I am baffled but not surprised that the fans could turn that into a Rose v Martha flamewar--I was always a Martha girl and am still lukewarm on Rose, but Christ, the fact that he can admit he's scared and ask Martha to save him has nothing to do with Rose and everything to do with Martha's weird shifting role as his assistant/caretaker/person who keeps his stupid ass from succumbing to a death wish all the time. She's his protector as much as he is hers, and he rather abuses the privilege at times.

Heh, so all the fluffy domestic shippy fic is the Who fandom's take on writing something they'll never get on the show itself? Makes sense. And there's less thrill in doing weird for weird's sake when the show tops you every other week. The fic authors can't keep up long enough to plumb the depths of the crack they've got, as evidenced by the fact that as far as I know I'm the only person to ever write Jack Harkness/Weeping Angel.

As vicious as the internecine nastiness can be, Who fandom is unnervingly tame in some ways. There's the fic, and there's also a surprisingly healthy relationship with the actors: no batshit tinhatting except as a joke, pervy Tennant fanciers squeeing over how cute he and Georgia Moffett are and how ridiculous their multi-Time-Lord family is, general lack of entitlement over actors' personal lives. I just got back from Gallifrey One, where half the guests usually spend their downtime in the lobby/bar of the con hotel, chatting and letting fans buy them drinks and having a grand old time. Just imagine the trainwreck that would ensue if that happened in Sherlock or Supernatural fandom.

[intrigueing]

Psssh! What! Analyze a character and her role all on her own? Without using her as an excuse to tear down or glorify another character/push your own agenda/reduce her to commentary? Blasphemy I say!

(I find Rose vs Martha flamewars incredibly entertaining and near-incapable of being annoying, since Donna's my favorite and I have the rather unique position of liking Rose and Martha in almost exactly equal measure).

Also, um, link to the Jack/Angel fic? I've read Angel/Angel fic, but no humanoid/Angel...

You are so right about the fandom! I guess with all the character wank and showrunner-bashing, the chill-ness when it comes to the actors escaped my attention, but that's very true. I mean, you get people perving like mad in little private conversations, but no fandomwide creepiness that makes me embarrassed to be part of it.

And ooh, you were at Gallifrey One? Cool! How was it?

[tenlittlebullets]

*g* I've relaxed a bit about Rose v Martha flamewars now that I've realized the segment of Tumblr that's perpetually stuck in 2007 has an average age of about fourteen and a half. And also now that Martha has been superseded by Ace and Romana on my "best companions EVAR" list. Romana is everything my geeky heart wanted Martha to be, Ace is the fucking best and actually helps me understand Rose better, so it's all good.

Jack/Angel fic is here. I've seen a couple Doctor/Angel fics--on the kink meme, I think--but I am shocked that nobody's tried this with Jack. Because he totally would.

I mean, I don't think I'd want to be there to witness the stampede if David Tennant or Matt Smith tried to get into Sylvester McCoy's habit of descending into the audience during Q&A panels and crawling over everyone else in the row to stick his mic in people's faces, but on the whole? Remarkably chill. I don't think the actors who were at Gally had anything worse to fear than (a) people being awkward overenthusiastic Labrador puppies of adoration, and (b) the occasional rude and unsolicited opinion about the show itself.

Gallifrey One was awesome. It's a cozy friendly medium-sized con that manages to draw cosplay and guest lists that'd make DragonCon green with envy. And you get elaborate cosplay from random Classic Who serials and dubiously-canonical spinoffs that you'd never see anywhere else. (Curse of Fatal Death! There was Curse of Fatal Death cosplay! And Scream of the Shalka!)