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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/10/argos-real-tony-mendez-im-not-hispanic/

[mekkio]

Oh, my God, how dare Affleck play an Irish, Italian, French, Mexican guy who doesn't even consider himself Hispanic because he has almost no ties to that side of the family and only knows Spanish because he had to learn it for the job at the CIA! That's racist. They should have had Antonio Banderas play the part all in Spanish with subtitles

/Hispanic, myself

[(Anonymous)]

Granted the situation is grayer than the secret makes it sound but, as another Hispanic, I don't think it was too unreasonable to want a Hispanic actor in that role, simply because you don't see that too often. People are always complaining about "lack of diversity" in film and TV, well, here was a great opportunity for diversity and Affleck blew it. I don't think it would have bothered the original Mendez too much if Banderas or Bardem had played him.

[mekkio]

I don't think it would have bothered the original Mendez too much if Banderas or Bardem had played him.

Wait, I was just joking. You want two actors who both have severe Spanish accents in almost every role they've played to play the part of a man who not only doesn't have a Spanish accent but doesn't even really speak Spanish as any mother tongue because he didn't start speaking it until he joined the CIA and as a job requirement you have to know a second language? Not only that, the man is mixed with Irish, Italian and French in him as well. Affleck is Irish too. Hell, I am half Irish as well as Puerto Rican. (I came out looking German. Go figure that one out.) Would you insist that only a Hispanic could play me if my life was made into a movie otherwise would you cry racism?

[(Anonymous)]

No, not that ONLY a Hispanic could play you, but that in a film/TV landscape where there are very few, if any, Hispanic protagonists of high-grossing projects, the fact that the man in question HAD a Hispanic side to him COULD have been used to increase visibility because the Hispanic element was already there (regardless of how much he identified with it, the reality is, it was there, so it could have been used if the director had wanted). As I said, I don't think it would have bothered Mendez if Benjamin Bratt had played him (my mistake about Banderas/Bardem, I didn't know about the English issue).

[(Anonymous)]

/facepalm

[insanenoodlyguy]

Bratt is at least a far better choice, and he can pull off the facial hair.

But ultimately, there was no obligation to do anything like that, and if you look at pictures of a young Tony Mendez, it's not like Affleck was completely implausible as him.

[brazil]

Yo just because you're hispanic doesn't mean other hispanics/latinos don't get to complain about things that actually matter. I don't care that you don't care about the race issue, but don't shit on latinos who DO give a shit, man.

[mekkio]

Yo realize that the man she wanted to be played by a Hispanic actor and is mad that is played by Affleck is only half Hispanic while also Irish which Affleck is. So, it's not racist toward Hispanics to have Affleck playing him. Just like it wouldn't be racist against the Irish if a Hispanic actor had played the part. The man isn't ONLY Hispanic. He's mixed. And as a mixed person, I am tired of people telling me and other mixed people that they must choose one and only one ethnic group that makes them who they are. And usually, the mixed person isn't even allowed to choose that one group. Everyone else does.

[(Anonymous)]

No single part of this is about anyone telling you anything about how you choose to identify. Nobody you're replying to has said a thing about that. None of it actually has anything to do with you or your ID at all in the slightest even a little bit.

What they keep saying to you is that there is less work - especially high-profile and high-paird work - available to non-white actors. When a role that could be legitimately cast non-white goes to a white actor, that's one less potential role for the hypothetical Latino actor. Which sucks given that there isn't exactly a dearth of projects available to Big Name white stars.

It's not rocket surgery.

[(Anonymous)]

... how on earth do you "look" German?

[mekkio]

In the same way someone can look Japanese or Korean. Caucasians don't have one muddled look to them.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the look doesn't exactly conveniently follow the national borders in Europe. So saying you look German really only makes you sound like a pretty big douchebag.

[mekkio]

Except for the fact that when I traveled to Germany everyone mistook me as a native and even asked if I had German background. But other countries as Italy or France? According to the locals, I stuck out like a sour thumb.

So, if you don't like it, take it up the locals. I guess, according to you, they would the "big douchebags".

[(Anonymous)]

Really, really?

I didn't say everyone in Europe looks the same, I said there's no dinstinct, country-specific look. That might mean that you blend in in one country but stick out in another, but it doesn't mean you "look German", because there is no such thing as a fucking German look that is unique to Germany.

(PS: Do an exercise - pick out a mix of 100 random Polish, German, Dutch, Belgian, Austrian and Swiss people and try to place them just by looking at them. That is why "I look German" is a fucking offensive thing to say, as opposed to "I blend in in Germany".)

[manifold]

Not really related to what you're saying here, but I wish Hispanic actors other than Banderas and Bardem would get a chance more often. It's not like they're the only Hispanic actors in the entire world.

[mekkio]

There are many more working Hispanic actors than most people realize. Only they don't fit the Hispanic stereotype. Like Gina Torres, for example. Instead she plays roles on what she looks like to society, which in her case is African American. So, she doesn't get the Hispanic roles but the African American roles despite the fact that she is Hispanic. (The only time you will see a Hispanic actor who doesn't fit the Hispanic stereotype play a Hispanic role is if they have a natural Spanish accent that they can't shake.)

And forget it if you are mixed and you don't have a Hispanic surname. Most people won't even count you as a Hispanic actor despite the fact that you are. An example of this is Dylan O'Brien who is not only Irish with that stereotypical surname but Spanish. But good luck finding him on a Working Hispanic Actors list. Because not only does he not fit the stereotype, his surname isn't Spanish.

But, yeah, there are a ton of working Hispanic actors out there but again, they don't fit the stereotype so for many people, especially in the social justice crowd, those actors don't count.

[manifold]

Exactly. The "American way" of parsing race is mostly based on what people look like, regardless of how inane and unrelated to ethnicity that actually is, and it's just… always fucking sad, but especially so with how it's defined the Hispanic stereotype. Hispanics can't have white, black, or Native American descent, nope, All Hispanics = Brown People, the end, omg why are you arguing with this.

Representation should mean representing reality, giving a platform to real people, not forcing them to fit stereotypes that someone else entirely has decided is THE TRVTH.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought they were both Spanish? Then again I don't quite understand what people in the US mean by Hispanic? Is Gael Garcia Benel hispanic? That's who I would have thought of, someone from Latin America , rather than Spain, which makes them European.

[cupcakefiasco]

I'm just here to say that I love this comment because I knew you were saying it joking/sarcastically.