[ SECRET POST #2241 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2241 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 (minorly sexual, illustrated) - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[sugar_spun]

Eh, I understand the feeling. The author probably feels disheartened when she reads a lot of fic that totally don't seem to 'get' her material. She could be wrong about that, but basically every fandom had tastes that probably didn't gel with what the author had in mind.

She's allowed her opinions about fanfic of her work.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is (to me, at least, and I'm not the OP), she was horrified that people were writing porn about her characters, when her books -- at least the first one, which is as far as I got -- had ridiculous amounts of sex scenes. Like every five pages or something. And they were ridiculous and some were borderline offensive (like the spanking scene where the female character was not willing and it was all about her husband putting in her place, and we're supposed to swoon over the fact that he's so aroused by beating her that he simply must have sex with her afterwards.)

So she can do it, but if a fan writes fanfic where the characters have sex, that's sullying them. Whatevs, lady.

[sugar_spun]

Oh wow. That's a lot more confusing then. I haven't read the books, but if it sounds as porny as that, why would you blame someone for thinking porny thoughts about your characters when you are too?

[(Anonymous)]

I gave up on Gabaldon after I realized that I'd read better characterization on ff.n. And come to think of it, better sex scenes too.

[(Anonymous)]

A LOT of people asked that question, it's why so many people thought the author's protests were hypocritical. Galbaldon compared writing fanfic with her characters to seducing her husband or selling her children into slavery. Total nutjob rant.

[(Anonymous)]

Every time I see the characters=children argument, I think 'So...does that make you a reality-show mom who parades your children's lives and secrets for the world to see so you can make money?'

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly, which is why the analogy is so dumb. I'm never going to NOT roll my eyes when an author pulls this crap.

[(Anonymous)]

I did not see this. (O_O)

[(Anonymous)]

True. So long as she doesn't try and do an Anne Rice and try and legally get all fanfic of her characters removed off the Internet (as if that could ever happen).

[(Anonymous)]

Here, read her opinions about fanfic for yourself and see if her feeling is still so understandable:

http://kate-nepveu.livejournal.com/483239.html

[sugar_spun]

Wow.

Woooow.

Oh my god. What...horrible...oh my god. OP, I take it back, you write the damn spite porn!

She actually identifies wholly HERSELF with a character!

[(Anonymous)]

"Spite porn" - I have a new favorite phrase! :D

[al28894]

"Damn spite porn"

Thanks for the vocabulary!

[(Anonymous)]

IDK. She didn't seem THAT entitled or arrogant about it, just a tad possessive about her characters, but not massively OTT like Anne Rice and Laurell K. Hamilton have gotten.

And her policy, while on the more annoying end of refusing to allow fanfic, is unfortunately defensible on the grounds of creative control over derivative works. I mean, Anne Rice's shitfit over fanfic extended to what would have constituted actual stalking and harrassment of fic authors - and Gabaldon has, AFAIK, not stooped close to that.

But yeah, not seeing the sniffy arrogance that makes one want to provoke her (>_>)

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, it's fair to say that compared to Anne Rice, almost anyone looks reasonable--just as, compared to Laurell K. Hamilton, almost anyone looks modest. But her rant is still ridiculously hypocritical and overblown.

[(Anonymous)]

1) She doesn't want people writing porny fanfic about her characters, because the characters are HER BABIEZ and it's like seeing X-rated fic written about your own daughter and the skeevy neighbor. You see, you're writing sex fantasies about her own family and that's icky!

2) But it's okay for her to write loads of porn featuring her family because that's not a weird analogy at all.

3) You shouldn't write fanfic because it's stealing and lazy and blah blah blah

4) But it's okay for her to base the hero of her entire series off a minor Doctor Who character who once made her hot in the pants-area because of reasons.

Etc. etc.

So... I can sorta see the outrage about her hypocrisy and general lack of understanding. Granted, it's not as nutty as Anne Rice or Laurell Hamilton, but that's not saying a whole lot.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Oh my god, you have to troll people like this. It's too fun not to do!

WRITE AWAY! SEND HER LINKS ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW NOTHING. Be all "OMG I LOVE YOU HAVE THIS" and tinyurl it! If you make her pop a blood vessel, you win the internets!

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, somebody's never heard of "fair use," has she?

[(Anonymous)]

No, Diana evidently hasn't, but fair use isn't exactly a strong defense of fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

How not?

[(Anonymous)]

AFAIK, fair use means use for scholarship or criticism. Parody also counts, but very few fanworks are parodies. True, there have been arguments that fanfic also constitutes fair use, but I've yet to hear that the question of has been settled in favor of fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't the Outlander series start as Doctor Who fanfic with the serial numbers filed off, though?