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⌈ Secret Post #2241 ⌋

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Comments

[iggy]

Isn't ZDT more interpretation though? A lot of people, even super liberal viewers, have seen it as a criticism of jingoism, the war on terror, etc. But then other people with very similar viewpoints view it as the opposite, an affirmation of the value of torture. It's actually kind of interesting to see what people are coming out of it with.

(Note: I haven't seen it.)

As for Argo, I wouldn't really call it that jingoistic but I do think they did a poor job of showing us the Iranian side of the story, which made me a bit uncomfortable. It was an enjoyable film, but it had a lot of issues I felt.

[fauxkaren]

Well, I think that's what the filmmakers are trying to sell us about ZDT now that it's gotten criticism. But like no one inside the film even questions it. At first Maya seems a bit disturbed, but she pretty quickly settles into the "well, it's necessary so..." kind of thinking. And then when they can't torture anymore, they lament that fact. Also the film does show that torture led to the vital information that got Bin Laden (which may be true? Idk. I think the US government claims otherwise, but I'm not sure what the truth is.). I just felt like there was no real opposing view.

I think that people who think that the movie is criticizing jingoism are seeing what they want to see in the movie because I don't think there is anything in the movie itself that challenges it.

I do think that Argo could have done a better job of showing the Iranian side, but they got a "you tried" star at least because in the opening of the movie they show how the US intervention in the 50s fucked over Iran and created the current political situation. And you got one of the CIA guys who clearly thought it was stupid that the US was sheltering the shah. And you got the housekeeper at the Canadian ambassador's house who was a somewhat fleshed out character (and we even got to check up on her and see she got out of Iran) to try to paint a more complex picture of people in Iran.

So Argo tried, at least.

It definitely could have been better. But like, idk. ZDT didn't even try.

[chardmonster]

As a middle eastern person (I'm Arabic, not Persian, but I am sensitive to this sort of thing) I'm not sure how they could have done better without making the movie two hours longer.

This is the first movie I've seen in a long time where it wasn't horrible.

Also I'm not sure how portraying saving a bunch of diplomats from the very real torture and imprisonment of a very real, rather shitty regime as positive is jingoistic. The religious revolution in Iran was not nice.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing Americans do is ever allowed to be shown as even remotely positive. Ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, please. You had better be being sarcastic. Americans are shown as Heroic Saviours of the Day on a regular basis, and American Values as what benighted natives everywhere really, really want and need.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Be that as it may... The Iranian revolution wasn't very nice.

[dazzledfirestar]

I'd have a lot more to say about the massive historical mistakes in Argo as well. They tried, but if you can't get the history of an event right in the first place, my expectations are not going to be high for any other issues attached.

(I'm referring to the need to recut the movie after its TIFF premiere because they royally fucked it up.)

[(Anonymous)]

What "massive historical mistakes" are you concerned about?

[kamino_neko]

I'm not sure 'royally fucked it up' quite applies to a deliberate change. (I assume you mean the 'but the Canadians didn't really do anything, that's just to keep the true story classified' epilogue.)