[ SECRET POST #2242 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2242 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #320.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[otakugal15]

....this seems to be a thing in The Avengers fandom. Both Thor and Steve tend to be written as dumbasses when it comes to things. Or that's the impression I keep getting.

So glad I didn't get head-over-heels into that fandom. I'd have been annoyed within a week. :/

Same goes for the slut!shaming of Tony, which also seems to be a thing. *sigh*

Anything else that seems to stick out like that? Anything with Bruce? Natasha? Clint? Coulson and Fury?

Anything?

Bueller?

[(Anonymous)]

Robot!Natasha, Lurking-in-the-ceiling-and-perching-on-things!Clint, Motherfucker!Fury. Coulson and Bruce seem to miss the bulk of that, because they tend to be the characters often ignored if the author doesn't already like them as they are. In which case, it would be Dead!Coulson and Hiding-in-his-lab!Bruce.

[otakugal15]

Ah...FUN!!!

Ick.

Wait.... WHERE did robot!Natasha come from? What the fuck? O_o

[sockpants]

Well, Motherfucker!Fury probably come from that he was played by Samuel L. Jackson of "I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!" fame- pretty much any character played by Samuel L. Jackson gets Snakes on a Plane-ized.

[insanenoodlyguy]

[tabaqui]

I HATE robot!Natasha! Omg. I also hate the idea that everyone is terrified of her and that she rips Steve up one side and down the other if he holds a door for her.

Clint hiding in the ceiling is fun but yes, it gets old.

[fae_boleyn]

I think Thor is the Avengers version of, say, cheesy immigrant jokes, about not getting the culture. More likely for him, in my view, would be him picking stuff up well enough, but probably accidentally breaking things. And that would be only because the stuff on Asgard is designed to stand up to his species' strength, while Earth things are not. (Steve might have a degree of this as well, since he'd have to re-adjust his super-strength for new objects.)

What irks me more than idiot!Steve is naive-as-hell!Steve, because seriously, the man grew up in the 20s and 30s, and he was a soldier. Just because he's painfully shy with regards to talking to women, doesn't make him a total innocent. I could go on about this for a while; I will not, because that would be rude.

As for things that stick out that haven't been mentioned... Um, Woobie!Tony and Loki, the kink meme is rather unsettlingly into non-con, especially with one of those two as the victim. Of course, maybe the non-con thing's not that uncommon on kink memes, but I don't recall the Inception Kink Meme being that bad and I didn't spend enough time on Hetalia's or XMFC's for a definitive comparison. The much smaller Suits Kink Meme doesn't seem to be so into it, based on the fill list anyway, and the Game of Thrones one... Well, lots of incest (I blame canon incest for setting it off), but also less non-con. So... *shrug*

Oh, if they're not doing either of those things to Tony or Loki, they're doing it to Clint. There's also a lot of people who have decided Steve's comments to Tony were awful and Steve should apologize, but the things Tony said weren't anything he should apologize for.

[nyxelestia]

I could go on about this for a while

Please do. :P


And yeah, the 20s-40s were just as raunchy and sullied as the modern world, they were simply more hush-hush about it. Steve would never have been sheltered and even been actively exposed to all sorts of crap, he'd just be less inclined to talk about it as casually as we do in the modern era.

norsekink and avengerkink, if you pay attention to the prompts, do have an unsettling preoccupation with noncon. The fills, however, don't seem to have much more noncon than other kinkmemes that have a favorite woobie.

As for the Steve and Tony thing - I always get the impression that there's this hidden divide in fandom, and which side of that you fall on is basically which one, Steve or Tony, you think was The Asshole of the Avengers movie. This has always confused me, because my impression of them during the movie was largely that once you discount all the stuff with the spear's influence, a professional relationship with some tension coming from crossed wires.

i.e. a lot of people take Tony's Pilates and Capsicle jokes on the quinjet as some kind of asshole move, but I honestly saw it as Tony basically being mildly nice in a professional sort of way. They have a moment of downtime, so Tony tries to strike up conversation, and he makes a few jokes at Steve's expense because Tony wouldn't have minded that or even might've appreciated that if their positions were reversed. Once it's clear Steve doesn't appreciate it, Tony backs off and they both turn their attention back to the work-related problem at hand. I genuinely didn't think anyone read this scene as Tony being actively malicious until I was sucked into the depths of the fandom.

And even with the stuff around the spear, they both pretty much gave as good as they got, hitting each other's weakspots dead-on, which was the point of the spear's influence. I can't really see one of them as having been particularly worse than the other one. o.O

[fae_boleyn]

Yes, yes they were. What irks me, often, is this thought that Steve would, say, have faith in the government. I once went off about this on Tumblr because someone was all "Steve doesn't know about Watergate/Vietnam/etc" so he must still trust the government. And I'm like "Um... He might trust them less than us. When he went down, people were only just starting to trust them again after the Depression." Not to mention, I feel like he'd look at our economy and be like "What are you doing, you're going to let this happen again?!" The Steve of the films was never overly patriotic - his reasons for wanting to fight were either personal or about the other soldiers, not Uncle Sam.

Eh, I'm inclined to think the Capsicle joke was a bit less than friendly (I agree wholeheartedly on the Pilates one) but I feel like it was... spur of the moment. There's crossed wires and issues we don't know about - and apparently in the original script Steve tried to break the ice by mentioning Howard, which we all know would have been a Bad Idea - and I'm just like "Damn it, you two!"

[nyxelestia]

Dude, even comics Steve doesn't trust the government. Does no one remember how anti-Registration Steve was? I sometimes wonder how familiar these people are with their history, writing Steve like that. Or which movie they watched - I always thought a big point of Steve's character was that despite the costume, he wasn't patriotic (or at least wasn't in the war for patriotism).

And hell, I'm pretty sure none of the Avengers (or anyone in the real world) "trust" the government.