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fandomsecrets2013-02-23 03:21 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #2244 ⌋
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Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
Danielg342:I might have accepted how the show transpired if, say, the Austin detective was active in the case and turned out to be a religious man who disagreed with homosexuality but at least agreed the conversion camp was wrong.
Regarding the other line you quoted from me, what I meant was: The "vacuum/diversity of characters" concept that gets trotted out every time people are unhappy with the type of gay characters portrayed in media applies to all groups of people. It doesn't stop applying just because you find the group of people it's being applied to be distasteful as a whole.
Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 07:54 am (UTC)(link)I'm sorry if I'm being dense here, but I don't know what this vacuum/diversity of characters concept is since I've never heard it before, so I still don't quite get what you're trying to say.
I feel like the point you (and definitely the people on that site) are trying to make is that not all people who hate gay people are bad people, and what I'm saying is that yes, they are. Obviously it's a matter of degree, and someone who thinks someone deserves to be raped, tortured or even killed is obviously (does that even need to be said?) much worse than someone that just hates someone but doesn't want to cause them physical harm. BUT that doesn't mean that hating someone, or thinking they're not human, or somehow lesser than you, or that they don't deserve the same rights, is acceptable. Homophobia is no different than racism to me, and both are absolutely indefensible. Period.
All the wording, mainly coming from that Daniel guy, about a "political agenda" and how the writers only wrote an anti-homophobia story because "supporting gay rights is the in thing to do right now" and his "supporting homosexuality" and "disagreeing with homosexuality" phrasing, all just come across as bigoted and offensive to me. Either that or he's going waaaaaay overboard in trying to give the bigots the benefit of the doubt. Like this:
Danielg342: I also wonder how much of the show's fanbase are religious people who don't agree with homosexuality- they are not likely to agree with this episode's decidedly unbiased approach.
I'm assuming he means either biased or unbalanced there instead of unbiased, because otherwise it doesn't make sense, but the point is that it DOESN'T MATTER what "people who don't agree with homosexuality" think because THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. Media shouldn't cater them or present their point of view as anything other than what it is: narrow-minded, bigoted, and hateful. Like I said before, let's just pretend for a second that the episode was about raping and torturing black people. NO ONE (at least I hope not) would be saying, "Man, what if those people who don't agree with being black are offended by this?" And if someone did say that, the correct response to that would be "fuck those people, they're racist assholes, so who the fuck cares if they're offended?"
I know a lot of people hate him, but this reminds me of a quote from Bill Maher: "Don't get so tolerant that you tolerate intolerance." Some opinions are just unacceptable and indefensible, no matter what justification someone finds for them, and I don't think we should act as if both sides are equally valid when one side's views are so narrow-minded, hateful, and, well, fucked up.
Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)Also, I love how when SJer's arguments get thrown back at them, all of a sudden it's "I've never heard of that! What are you talking about?!" Maybe you're legit, but I find it really hard to believe you've never heard anyone scream "this doesn't exist in a vacuum! Blah blah SJ RAGE!" because they hate the way a show treats gays or nonwhites.
Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)