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fandomsecrets2013-02-23 03:21 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #2244 ⌋
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Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 09:41 am (UTC)(link)2) It is not controversial that being a homophobe is a bad thing. It is controversial that creating something in which all homophobes are also racists and murderers is a good idea. There are two main reasons why this is so (note that neither reason is "homophobes are peachy keen and I love them"):
a) It is, in general, really bad practice to create things that make people who are your political opponents out to be one-dimensional caricatures, or to create propaganda which makes them out to be worse than they are. It is a bad idea for a whole host of reasons. In the general sense, it is just really shitty for the political discourse as a whole.
b) In this specific case, making something that is extremely unrealistic makes it both lesser as a work of art and less effective against the homophobes. A nuanced, realistic depiction is more interesting and also actually addresses the reality of homophobia. It's much easier for someone to dismiss something when it makes homophobes out to be cartoonishly evil. It doesn't serve anyone any good.
I'm not saying being a homophobe is okay. I'm saying that being a homophobe is not the same as being a rapist or a torturer, and that homophobes are not actually cartoonishly evil, and it's probably not a good idea to present homophobes as though they actually are universally cartoonishly evil, not because it hurts the feelings of homophobes but because that's not the way we should do things.
Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE
(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 11:59 am (UTC)(link)If they want to do a future episode about homophobes who are ignorant and misguided but aren't violent, that might be a discussion worth having, but it would've been out of place in this episode and I think would've lessened the impact of this particular story, which was an important one to tell. Those camps are incredibly dangerous, real things that exist and harm real people, and I think that the writers made the right choice in portraying them the way they did. And I don't think they portrayed it as extremely unrealistic as you said, they portrayed it the way it actually happened/is happening in real life, at least as far as I can tell based on all the accounts I've read. And in real life, there aren't always "slightly less bad" bad people to "balance things out".
As for the show presenting ALL homophobes as rapists and torturers, I didn't see it that way. This was a specific storyline where they were, but there have also been countless episodes where people who raped/tortured/killed were people who were abused as children, people whose parents got divorced when they were kids, people whose parents died when they were young, people who cheated on their spouses/significant others, etc. The show is about people who are rapists/torturers/murderers, and people who come from every single background imaginable and are a part of every group/demographic imaginable do those things on the show. I don't think the show is trying to say that ALL people who belong to a specific group or who come from a specific background rape/torture/kill, and I think most people realize that.
And the idea that all people having equal rights is considered a political issue, and therefore the show must be trying to push a "political agenda" or that it's "propaganda", is completely baffling to me. I see it as being about human rights and being a decent person, not any particular set of political beliefs, and I feel like pretending that both sides' opinions are equally valid is doing more harm than good when one side is actively hurting people. I just don't see how this is a difficult issue, at all.
Re: But won't someone think of the poor homophobes?! RAAAAAAAAAGE