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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-24 03:21 pm

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This just in, people are not perfect! Every argument or video of hers will not be perfect and opinions may differ from your own. One error does not negate the rest of her essays/videos/talks.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
This line of thinking is actually par for the course with her

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Even with the flaws she's still a feminist.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
So?
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-02-24 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, picking a side doesn't magically make you black and white. Those on your side aren't inherently worthy of your support. "But they (X affiliation)" is a rather poor argument.

You could say you still believe in the core value they are trying for but, "this is their side." just sounds like you have no actual defense for them and are scrambling.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
But she's kind of hurting the cause?
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[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-02-24 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.... I'd like to refer you to the really huge fights among feminists

Just being "feminist" doesn't make you right about all things. I mean, look at the radfems and trans-misogyny, and how college educated white feminists were so caught up in middle class concerns that a whole black feminist/womanist movement started up.

But I mean don't listen to me I'm just a feminist in academia who's actually read about this stuff

(Anonymous) 2013-02-25 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Someone who makes declarations about what women are and are not allowed to be is not a feminist.
charming_stranger: Himemiya Anthy from Adolescence of Utena. (Anthy)

[personal profile] charming_stranger 2013-02-25 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say they could be, but they'd be doing feminism wrong.
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[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-02-24 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This just in!

Any criticism of a prominent feminist is criticism of feminism, even when done by a fellow feminist!

CRITICISM IS NOT PROGRESSIVE

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

(I've genuinely battled with self-esteem problems because I couldn't tell where to draw the line between disagreeing with an individual feminist and disagreeing with feminism. I know it sounds stupid, but I spent too much time with the wrong feminists.)

(Anonymous) 2013-02-25 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
This just in!

There are self-declared feminists who are wrong about shit, and it is not wrong to disagree with and/or critique self-declared feminists.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-02-25 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
What's the difference between a "self-declared feminist" and other (presumably more legitimate) feminists?

(Anonymous) 2013-02-25 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
da

if the self declared feminist is listing off the 'ways' a person can be a proper woman, they're not a feminist.

although i would argue most feminists are self declared since you don't really get people going around pointing at others and going "bam! you're now a feminist!"
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-02-25 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Your last sentence is pretty much the reason I asked the question lol

(Anonymous) 2013-02-25 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yes it can, especially such a major topic. It puts everything else she said into questionably new light and obviously people are going to reevaluate their opinions of her