[ SECRET POST #2245

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⌈ Secret Post #2245 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/iOOIIL0.png

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, what?

[(Anonymous)]

People take her seriously?

[ariakas]

Ugh, I hate that argument, and she's far from the first to make it.

THIS JUST IN: A LOT OF STRONG WOMEN ARE ALSO TRADITIONALLY 'MASCULINE' IN OTHER WAYS AND THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM ANY LESS FEMALE NOR LESS APT ROLE MODELS FOR YOUNG WOMEN NOR IS THEIR VERY EXISTENCE A CRITICISM OF STRONG WOMEN WHO ARE 'FEMININE'.

MORE AT ELEVEN.

[mekkio]

It's ironic that feministfrequency has done a post on straw feminists when she herself is like one of the biggest ones on youtube going. She is so unself aware and just plain clueless.

[(Anonymous)]

This just in, people are not perfect! Every argument or video of hers will not be perfect and opinions may differ from your own. One error does not negate the rest of her essays/videos/talks.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

More like, "at this point, you're just an idiot". (Disclaimer: no idea who this person is, but that argument is simply too stupid for words.)

[(Anonymous)]

Not only her bad arguments, but her terrible eyebrows make me take her less seriously as well :(

[forgottenjester]

I think it's sad that my first reaction to this was, "She's making videos again?" and only then did I think, "Wait, she said that?"

[(Anonymous)]

Really? What exactly did she say? I don't have headphones right now and can't listen to it, but I will do later.

I mean, yes, there is a weird prevalence in fiction that female characters that are deemed strong usually display stereotypically masculine characteristics, but that doesn't mean they aren't feminist or can't count as feminist depictions. The idea that feminine = weak and masculine = strong needs to die, but women that are considered more 'masculine' by society aren't often displayed positively to begin with. Basically there needs to be a better representation of women within films as a whole, with women with stereotypically feminine attributes still being allowed to be strong, fully-fledged characters, and women with stereotypically masculine attributes also shown as human beings. And also, shock-horror, women can also embody traits seen as masculine and feminine. It's not a zero-sum game.

[(Anonymous)]

This is how Anita views herself.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, while we're here, can anyone rec me any other channels on Youtube/Blip/whatever that do media critique and discussion of feminist issues? Especially ones that are decent about intersectionality?

[(Anonymous)]

I was kind of annoyed by this video too, mainly because of the comments on how Mattie should have been Anti-Death-Penalty and non-violent.

Me? I'm against the death penalty and anti-violence but even I know that given Mattie's time and circumstances, standing around fretting over the ethics of hanging the dick that MURDERED HER DAD would have been both out-of-place and OOC.

Being a strong character means being portrayed as a human individual, not as an idea, even if the idea is Perfect Feminist Character

[angrymermaids]

I didn't notice this, but I dislike how she takes examples out of context to complain about them.

Edit: I also dislike how she apparently thinks feminism=pacifism and nonpacifism=immediate misogyny.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, I fucking hate that complaint. It seems so anti-feminist to me, like, "don't put us into a box, guys, but...HEY LADIES FIT INTO MY BOX OR YOU AREN'T WOMAN ENOUGH NYAH."

Back in the early days of BSG, there was a complaint along these lines about Starbuck. The writer called her a "boy with boobs" (and whined about things like her first appearing in masculine clothing. Keep in mind that, in her first appearance, she is wearing the exact same standard issue military clothing that every single other person stationed on Galactica, be it male or female, is wearing. I was like, "what, did you want her to randomly appear in stereotypical feminine civvies just to prove that she's a girl?"), which offended the absolute fuck out of me, because I've met women like her (a lot of military women are like Starbuck! Who woulda thunk?), so it was like...what? They aren't "woman" enough for you? You're sitting there complaining about how sexist men tend to be, but then you're turning around and acting like the Supreme Arbiter of What Makes a Female? She also lambasted the fact that Starbuck didn't immediately jump into the sack with Apollo in the miniseries, declaring that this proved that she was supposed to be viewed as virginal, and even made fun of the idea that someone would be reticent about sleeping with his/her dead fiance's sibling. Because yeah, if you think you're responsible for the death of the man you were going to marry, and the guy you're suddenly attracted to is his brother (and who therefore would have been YOUR brother), then feeling weird about sleeping with him TOTALLY MEANS THAT YOU'RE VIRGINAL AND NEVER SLEEP WITH ANYONE EVER. Not to mention: when the fuck would they have slept together during the miniseries? "Oh, yeah, we're being attacked by Cylons, but in order to prove that I am an empowered woman, we need to go over here and waste some time fucking."

Phew.

Yeah.

I've been angry about that a long time. :-/

[(Anonymous)]

Why is it people need to discard everything someone might point out just because they disagree with a few points? I've noticed this "my way or the highway" behavior elsewhere, and I've never understood it. No one is going to be able to agree with you on every subject; that doesn't mean you or that person can have good points that you do share. I don't agree with everything Feminist Frequency has said, but I do think some of her videos have merit. It's a bit silly to completely brush her off with everything she might state just because a few points are debatable.

[sockpants]

Anita Sarkeesian comes off as so fucking sketchy to me. I'm not going to rant about her Kickstarter, but there's just something that makes me uncomfortable when I'm watching her videos. She trips my "con artist/scammer" alarm bells so hard, and has since WAY before the whole donation debacle.

I don't wish her ill, and I think she could be very informative if she stuck to things she knew well.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I'm just boggling at the idea of Mattie as masculine when she's the archetypal frontier spinster right down to the regional, political, and religious grudges. Her virtues are that she's pious, smart, literate, numerate, thrifty, persuasive, and assertively loyal to her family (even if novel-Mattie is harshly critical of the faults of her siblings.) To the extent that she is masculine in taking control of the family business as a teenager, that decision is driven by the incompetence of her slightly older brother, and the emotional wreck of her mother. Women taking control in order to prevent a decline into poverty is a theme as old as Jane Austen.

Certainly that's not the model of second- and third-wave feminism, but it certainly isn't what I call "masculine" either. A central theme of True Grit is that Mattie and Cogburn are both products of their time and sit uneasily in it. Cogburn is a moral monster, a terrorist of Bloody Kansas who becomes a Federal Marshal primarily by virtue of American indifference to "Indiana Territory," who has a short career as a hired thug in a range war before becoming a sideshow freak.

Mattie, in contrast is a woman ahead of her time. She successfully takes over her family's business, and earns a reputation as an old maid and opinionated woman. Her culture and time doesn't know how to deal with women who do that who are not wives.

Saying that either the Coens or Portis are engaged in a celebration of masculinity ignores the fact that the central male character of both movie and novel is a deeply disturbed and amoral anti-hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I was really hoping that the rape apologist, misogynist, neckbeards would have killed themselves by now. Sadly, to judge by this whole thread, it seems you're all just waiting in the wings to dogpile any real feminist who dares voice her opinions.

Fuck you all.

[(Anonymous)]

i like a lot of her videos, but this one really rubbed me the wrong way, too.

i haven't seen true grit, but speaking generally: i understand where she's coming from a bit (shoving traditionally masculine traits onto women shouldn't be viewed as the magic key to making "strong female characters," and femininity isn't weak), but it felt like she was saying female characters "should" act in a kind of specific way in order to be feminist, and if they have x y and z traits then they're "essentially men" or something. nevermind the fact that there's plenty of women in real life who exhibit those traits? are they lesser women, now?

(also, am i the only one who feels a little weird asking if a character is "feminist or not," because i can't quite place a finger on why)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious to hear examples of how Anita says things like this all the time? I don't agree with everything she says, but for the most part I've found her videos to be pretty reasonable, so I'm a little curious.

[blueonblue]

Not all strong female characters are feminists. Feminism is a set of beliefs, not a commentary on personality.

[otakugal15]

I have to admit, I like many of her videos, but that one I hugely disagreed with and thought that she was reaching.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on what magical definition of feminism you live under.

Cause I'm pretty sure I could argue any character was 'feminist' using someone's definition of feminism.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know who this is, but back the fuck away from Mattie Ross or I will cut a ho. She's on my list of all time favorite female leads.