[ SECRET POST #2252 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2252 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Billie Piper - Doctor Who/Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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03.
[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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04.
[Teen Wolf]


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05.
[Kuroko no Basket]


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06.
[Princess Tutu]


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07.
[Kuroshitsuji]


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08.
[Queer as Folk]


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09.
[The Reward]


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10.
[Spartacus: War of the Damned]


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11.
[The Following]


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12.
[Les dossiers du Professeur Bell]


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13.
[Misfits]


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14.
[Saint's Row The Third]


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15.
[Penn and Teller]


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16.
[Harry Potter]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 093 secrets from Secret Submission Post #322.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[intrigueing]

I'd be more inclined to read it the way you read it if jokes about how women should be seen and fucked and not heard weren't so massively pervasive in society.

I just have a hard time believing that eyebrow-raising phrasing was truly unintentional on the part of the OP.

[(Anonymous)]

you sound like a biased observer imo. also, this is F!S, fairly certain we're kinda low on the "women should be seen and fucked and not heard" types around here. Not to mention that there are a lot of ESL's in this comm who don't know about all possible interpretations of English phrasing.

[(Anonymous)]

An ESL friend of mine once mistakenly referred to people of color as "colored people" because she didn't understand the cultural connotations and saw only a semantic difference.

Needless to say, she was completely ostracized from the English-speaking communities she'd been participating in and was branded with a reputation as someone who uses racist slurs.

And that is why you get a native speaker to check your syntax for you.

[(Anonymous)]

as an ESL I find it curious that "people of color" is okay, but "colored people" isn't (apparently? idk if it has changed recently)

I will go with whatever doesn't offend people, of course, but I still found it curious

[(Anonymous)]

"Colored people" as a racial descriptor has been loaded by its historical usage, basically. "People of color" lacks the negative connotation.

[(Anonymous)]

Was it in a bigger work, like a fic or an essay, or was it in a comment? I mean, I can see both happening, but I'd feel bad telling someone that someone should proof read all their comments (like say this one) because it seems all it would do is discourage people who are learning English from participating in informal ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Native speaker to check your syntax for you in what context? It's pretty much impossible to do that in most cases, apart from essay writing and the like, so it would pretty much required ESL speakers to limit our written (?) communication to a bare minimum.

I also find the English-speaking communities you're referring to as rather uncompromising and severe if they were actually aware she was an ESL speaker.

[(Anonymous)]

also, to repeat my comment from earlier that you ignored, you've never encountered a person, real or fictional, who was really attractive physically but had a really terrible personality, such that while you liked looking at them you strongly disliked hearing them speak?

[intrigueing]

That's not what I think is wrong. It's the implied attitude that female characters are better when they shut up and show skin that bugs me. If the OP doesn't actually feel that way, my apologies, but that's what it sounds like.

[(Anonymous)]

Where's the part of the secret that says the OP means all female characters? I only see reference to one actress.

[(Anonymous)]

because one specific actress playing two specific characters = all actresses playing all characters. The only way you could possibly interpret this the way you have is if you were actively looking for something to justify your assumptions about how other people view women.

[intrigueing]

Um, no? I really can't think of a way to respond to this weird comment except, uh, no, that's not what I think. I think it's douchey to have that attitude towards any female character that you choose to watch and that you're not being forced to watch.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, yes.

"That's not what I think is wrong. It's the implied attitude that female characters are better when they shut up and show skin that bugs me. If the OP doesn't actually feel that way, my apologies, but that's what it sounds like."

That was you, (http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/766753.html?thread=634470177#cmt634470177) saying that this secret-- which references ONE SPECIFIC FEMALE AND ONE FEMALE ONLY-- implies that it's expressing an opinion about "female characterS" as a whole.

[intrigueing]

Yes? I don't see how my comment contradicts my earlier comment.

If you have that attitude towards any female character that you choose to watch and that you're not forced to watch, it does seem to imply a particular attitude towards female characters as a whole.

It's not like real life, where you can be forced to associate with someone you hate but think is hot. In fiction, you're seeking out these kinds of female characters. There is a difference, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

If you have that attitude towards any female character that you choose to watch and that you're not forced to watch, it does seem to imply a particular attitude towards female characters as a whole.

...and...

In fiction, you're seeking out these kinds of female characters.

You're assuming that OP is watching things involving Billie Piper solely for the purpose of hating on Billie Piper. OP could be a Doctor Who fan who chose to watch the show despite the presence of Billie Piper, and s/he could have chosen to watch Secret Diary of a Call Girl despite the presence of Billie Piper. I watch shows and movies all the time that involve characters that I don't like. I continue to watch them because I enjoy enough of the rest of the material.

[(Anonymous)]

"If you have that attitude towards any female character that you choose to watch and that you're not forced to watch, it does seem to imply a particular attitude towards female characters as a whole."

WTF? No it doesn't. You don't know why the OP's watching the show, so you're only assuming it's some weird form of wankery about misogyny instead of a specific issue with Billie Piper-- you know, as was stated explicitly in the secret.

Also, people are allowed to have opinions about entertainment even though entertainment is something we voluntarily consume. Hence all the secrets in this post about various forms of entertainment.

[intrigueing]

...yeah no? I don't explicate every single secret in that much detail. It's the exact opposite in fact: the secret had such blatant "um, really?" phrasing that it caught my eye.

Where did I say anything about woman-shaming proto-rapist? Can't find that in any of my comments, funnily enough. I said the phrasing is making me side-eye, because the attitude of "female characters are annoying if they talk and are useless if they don't provide fanservice" is everywhere, and for the OP to phrase it like that without qualification implies that s/he's either a) ridiculously, incredibly sheltered or b) doesn't see why people might take that the wrong way. It's basically like saying something about liking a female character better when she cooks and cleans instead of going to work, and then not explaining why they think this.

If I'm mistaken, many apologies to the OP. Maybe they really are that sheltered, or I'm stupid and missed their intended meaning. But sorry, yes, I am going to be going "...um..." when someone expresses the view that an actress is less irritating when she gets naked and doesn't talk as much, and then doesn't explain themselves. Sorry to disappoint you?

[(Anonymous)]

You're right OP should've included all the proper context and established their anti-misogynist street cred beyond a doubt. That would work out perfectly for me cause I never get tired reading Wall of Text secrets in 8pt font.

[intrigueing]

Not really. I think all the OP needed was to say is "I liked Belle better, partly because of the sex and nudity in this show vs that show." But that's assuming that that's what the OP meant.