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[ SECRET POST #2253 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2253 ⌋

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There was at least one anon interested in seeing if we can get a discussion going on this (it was posted late yesterday), so here's a copy + paste of it:

"I made this with every intention of posting it like a legit secret, but in retrospect it might just not be "fandom" enough. Warnings for body modification that may disturb some people. Not a graphic image though, just some implants in a forearm.

http://i.imgur.com/yg1AxpE.png"

If I had to say, it would be because op's mods seem to be just straight up hurting yourself?

Not judging your motives here, but that's my initial impression. It could look more like self mutilation then modification.

Well... but so is getting one's ears pierced or whatever. OP is explicitly going for an aesthetic, it's just not one that a lot of people go for, so I can understand both their frustration and the repeated "Are you okay, honey?" that they're getting.

I see a difference though, between "put this in my ear" and, say, "cut off part of my ear" The picture maker evokes the latter.

Edited 2013-03-05 03:13 (UTC)

Mm. Fair enough. I for one will (probably) never get my ears pierced, precisely because I don't really see much of a difference between "stick metal through a hole in my ear" and "cut part of my ear off".

You could argue that scars are permanent, but so are tattoos and some piercing, and so is scarification, which is done purely for aesthetic. So I guess it's personal preference at that point.

That isn't a lip cut, it's a repaired harelip. And yes, it would be offensive as hell to get that done. You'd probably have to go to a plastic surgeon to get the work you want done and most of them would refuse you because you want mutilation, not modification.

Why would that be more offensive than anything else?

I mean I think it's silly and unwise but there's nothing offensive about that.

Appropriating the appearance of a disability for fashion? How is that NOT offensive?

Hold on, let's back that up. How is that a disability? And the "repaired hairlip" picture I'm pretty sure is Joaquin Phoenix and he was born that way.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-03-05 02:37 (UTC) - Expand

There are other ways to cut your lip. I doubt that's what OP was thinking.

And regarding that: how is a repaired harelip a disability? Is that an identity you can really appropriate at all?

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chardmonster - 2013-03-05 02:45 (UTC) - Expand

I'm done trying to explain this to anyone. I do know that if I saw someone like that and tried to talk to them about their experience as a harelip and I found out they'd had their lip cut like that because they liked the way it looks, I'd add to their "modification" with a Chelsea Grin.

Well you certainly seem reasonable.

I don't think wanting to harm someone because of their chosen physical appearance is adding anything to help support your argument. A "Glasgow grin" or "Chelsea grin" is generally used as a form of torture, that's like saying you want to set someone on fire because you hate it that they're wearing the color purple.

Well, I think it's a bit offensive that you'd refer to a person with harelip as "a harelip," as if that is her sole defining feature.

DA - In some parts of the world, people with a cleft palate or cleft lip call themselves harelips. It's still pretty common in the US with elderly people, too. ~~And no fun to encounter when you're the person they're calling that.~~

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I was born with a cleft palate (I'm assuming you are based on your reaction) and I have some residual problems as an adult. I wouldn't recommend someone get their lip cut to mimic a cleft lip, but it certainly wouldn't incite me to violence. I'd just kind of side-eye them and distance myself from them as much as possible.

I kinda understand why you might think it's appropriation, but it really isn't. I don't think it's any more likely to be offensive than other kinds of body modification.

cool story, bro.

old meme, bro.

Re: Body Mod/Non-Fandom secret from yesterday

insanenoodlyguy - 2013-03-05 03:31 (UTC) - Expand

http://www.stevehaworth.com/

Probably your best bet, he walks that fine line between modification and mutilation.

I don't get the comments saying this is 'mutilation' - how is a broken nose mutilation? It just means it's kinda crooked/has a bump or something. I see huge, stretched piercings in the nose that show me your sinuses a lot more of a 'mutilation' than a modification.

I've seen people in rl who had a scar on their mouth from falling as a kid or whatever, so unless you went for the whole deal that *did* look like a repaired harelip, i wouldn't call that 'mutilation', either, and don't see why people who split penises or shove metal under people's skin would balk at that.

Very odd. There are a *lot* of people doing this stuff these days, though, so i'm sure there's somebody out there who would be happy to do it - it'll just take a while to find them and might include some traveling.

Mutilation can be blunt trauma as well. And almost all body modification actually does fall under mutilation, yes.

Without getting snippy about definitions though, I think the difference for people is that nobody would think, say, a guy got pointed ears by being in a fight he lost.

That's so. I know that i find a crooked/lumpy nose like in the picture a million times more attractive than ear-lobes stretched to the shoulders or a dozen rings through a lip, so maybe it's down to what you'd like to look at as opposed to what you would find squicky to do to yourself.

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Re: Body Mod/Non-Fandom secret from yesterday

fingalsanteater - 2013-03-05 05:11 (UTC) - Expand

I'm going to lick your face and taste all the sweat and dream about it (and you) for years, and years, and years. I'll never bother you again if that is your desire; I'll just reminisce forevermore about the way you taste and imagine what could have been.

Are you sure you replied to the right thing here? This seems... off-topic.

Hilariously, sexily off-topic. I like it.

Re: Body Mod/Non-Fandom secret from yesterday

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