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fandomsecrets2013-03-04 07:01 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2013-03-04 07:01 pm
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First off, I'm the opposite of you. I'm a pegasister and I absolutely resent people telling me that I have to call myself a brony. Yes, it has happened. There's a club at my school for MLP fans and the club is called "[name of school] Bronies". When I joined I asked why it was called bronies when many of the members were female. A guy in the club responded "Brony means MLP fan" and I was like "...no, it does not" and we got into an argument which involved him telling me that it was sexist for me to call myself "pegasister". I was like hell naw, and I ended up leaving the club. I don't regret it. I hate that attitude and won't support it. Because of that experience I have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to this topic. I don't want to be divisive and have re-read and re-written several parts of my comment, so I hope it's as objective as I want it to be.
While I don't have a problem with the term "brony" itself, I see it as a distinctly male term. I don't think you can dispute that it root and origins are both male, the first people to use it were male and used it BECAUSE they were male, and many if not most fans see it as male. You can use it as gender-neutral if you want, but it's kind of like using "dude" as a gender-neutral - not everyone is going to agree with you and those who disagree aren't doing it randomly; they have good reason.*
Some people (perhaps including you, OP?) want to use "brony" because they think men using it is marginalizing. I disagree. (Yes, I know many bronies treat women badly in the fandom, but that's not because of the word itself.) It was originally used to distinguish male fans from female ones, to assert that they had a place in the fandom too, and not to exclude female fans. (Yes, I know MANY bronies today do this; I know some of the original ones, if not all, were not very nice people; but the general idea as it's used by most sane fans (keyword: sane) isn't "I'm the only REAL kind of pony fan" - it's "I'm a fan, and I happen to be a guy".)
The reason I don't like to use it? The assumption that a girl should or would call herself a "brony" to indicate participation in the fandom is, to me, sexist. When you start to say that being a "brony" is the mark of being in the fandom you kind of make it all about the menz. On a more fundamental level, the male term is being adopted as the superior and desired term...sound familiar? Women are in some cases expected to adopt the male term (in a fandom originally intended for girls!) in order to have the same status, because the female term doesn't have the same weight. I resent that. I resent being expected to take on the male status term in order to be considered as good of a fan. It makes me feel marginalized in one of the LAST fandoms where I should be feeling this way. And that's why I use "pegasister". It's no better or worse than "brony", and it doesn't erase my gender and make me assimilate into the male whole in order to be included.
For this reason I'm going to side-eye someone who insists on using "brony" and whines about being called a "pegasister" (girly term, ew!!). Pegasister isn't an insult; I only use it to identify a fellow fan who is female. If you don't want to be called that there's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to be called a brony, well, I'm not going to say you can't, but I'm not going to lie: it does make me a bit uncomfortable when other female fans do that, because it ultimately affects my experience as a female fan, for the reasons listed. And it gives me this vibe like you want to be One of the Guys and eschew the female, "girly" term because ew, who wants that! That's very sexist, imo.
So yeah, your choice etc. etc. but I reserve the right not to like it because it ultimately affects the fandom as a whole and as such affects my experiences and to an extent I think it perpetuates sexism in fandom.
*Another analogy along this vein that ties my whole position together - it's like if I went around, as a woman, and insisted that people in formal settings called me "sir" and not "ma'am". If I said, "I just like it better, I don't like 'ma'am', people would side-eye me, because it sounds like I want to be associated with the men and rejecting femininity as lesser.
Also your use of RBD makes me sad. This isn't the first time here I've seen someone use a pic of her to represent a view that makes me feel uncomfortable, and she's my favorite.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 04:11 am (UTC)(link)feeling strong about a cartoon, are we?
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 04:52 am (UTC)(link)i think i probably agree with you but i cannot be arsed to read everything you just wrote there, please go back to tumblr
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 04:53 am (UTC)(link)shit
i think no one cares
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 04:55 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 04:58 am (UTC)(link)(Protip: if you really don't care, you wouldn't comment.)
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 05:01 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 05:05 am (UTC)(link)/your thoughts on yaoi apparently
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(I love the "omg tl;dr" like I didn't know that already)
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 07:08 am (UTC)(link)I don't really like either term much (I prefer just "MLP fan", myself), but this is all very well reasoned and a valid way to approach this fandom.
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I skimmed through because I was on my phone doing errands but ...
(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)I roll my eyes so hard anytime a female goes the extra mile to label herself with male associated terms (except "dude"). I secretly mentally label her one of those girls who tries to hard to be "one of the guys".
It especially irritates when girls say shit like "I'm such a bro", "haha brofist!", or "me and my best (girl) friend have a great bromance together". I'm just like shut the fack up you sexist twit.
Re: I skimmed through because I was on my phone doing errands but ...