[ SECRET POST #2253 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2253 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/zvkj34u.png

[morieris]

The phrase "Pegasister" is just a mouthful to work around, no one should have to call themselves that if they don't want to.

[world_eater]

That's not a hill that I'd decide to die on, but I do agree it is silly a thing to lecture people over.

[(Anonymous)]

You could just call yourself a fan of the show?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it bugs me too. I mean, I get it, gendered term and all that, but I don't have a problem with being in a group referred to as "you guys" either.

Some people do have a problem with that, and that's fine--I make the effort not to use gendered collectives for that reason. And the people who don't want to be referred to as "bronies" can call themselves "pegasisters" if they want to, and that's fine too.

But I really, really hate when some dudebro tells me that no, I have to call myself a "pegasister" because I'm female. Dude, I don't have to do anything, and I can refer to myself however I want. Sheesh.

Brony is unfortunately gendered, but until it became associated with some serious terrible dickery (which is why I don't call myself one anymore), it was just the collective term for MLP fans, like Trekkie. Fine.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't understand why you would want to be associated with bronies. These are the guys that flamed an artist off deviantart because she didn't want to post pony porn. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who self identifies as a brony is an obnoxious manchild, regardless of your gender.

[insanenoodlyguy]

ROCK IT SISTER

[(Anonymous)]

why do you want to call yourself a brony in the first place though

[(Anonymous)]

I actually just had this conversation.

Because I'm unhelpful, I nominated "Sisny" as an alternative.

[supermanda]

lol pegasister?

[silverau]

I would hate being called a brony, but it's dumb that people are trying to tell you that you CAN'T call yourself that.

[iggy]

You're welcome to call yourself a Brony if you want and no one should try and stop you, but frankly I have no idea why you'd want to associate yourself with that term.

[riddian]

Oh Lord, I can't wait to see what Otakugal will have to say about this XD

Anyway, if you're willing to take on all the crap people will throw your way, more power to ya!

[wauwy]

I think it's less about the term being gendered than its connotations of creepy inappropriate otaku-ism. Like "Cumberbitches." I wouldn't want to be associated with those people in any way if I could help it.

But you do you.

[(Anonymous)]

Why does Rainbow Dash look like she's about to blast somebody with some awful, awful horse gas?

[(Anonymous)]

Or you could just like a tiny horse cartoon without having to BE a thing

[spacebabie]

Wow 37 posts and not a single one from Otakugal?...and I just finished my oatmeal pancakes.

[diet_poison]

ok...bear with me please, this is why I don't really like seeing this. I'll try to explain and apologies in advance for the length.

First off, I'm the opposite of you. I'm a pegasister and I absolutely resent people telling me that I have to call myself a brony. Yes, it has happened. There's a club at my school for MLP fans and the club is called "[name of school] Bronies". When I joined I asked why it was called bronies when many of the members were female. A guy in the club responded "Brony means MLP fan" and I was like "...no, it does not" and we got into an argument which involved him telling me that it was sexist for me to call myself "pegasister". I was like hell naw, and I ended up leaving the club. I don't regret it. I hate that attitude and won't support it. Because of that experience I have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to this topic. I don't want to be divisive and have re-read and re-written several parts of my comment, so I hope it's as objective as I want it to be.

While I don't have a problem with the term "brony" itself, I see it as a distinctly male term. I don't think you can dispute that it root and origins are both male, the first people to use it were male and used it BECAUSE they were male, and many if not most fans see it as male. You can use it as gender-neutral if you want, but it's kind of like using "dude" as a gender-neutral - not everyone is going to agree with you and those who disagree aren't doing it randomly; they have good reason.*

Some people (perhaps including you, OP?) want to use "brony" because they think men using it is marginalizing. I disagree. (Yes, I know many bronies treat women badly in the fandom, but that's not because of the word itself.) It was originally used to distinguish male fans from female ones, to assert that they had a place in the fandom too, and not to exclude female fans. (Yes, I know MANY bronies today do this; I know some of the original ones, if not all, were not very nice people; but the general idea as it's used by most sane fans (keyword: sane) isn't "I'm the only REAL kind of pony fan" - it's "I'm a fan, and I happen to be a guy".)

The reason I don't like to use it? The assumption that a girl should or would call herself a "brony" to indicate participation in the fandom is, to me, sexist. When you start to say that being a "brony" is the mark of being in the fandom you kind of make it all about the menz. On a more fundamental level, the male term is being adopted as the superior and desired term...sound familiar? Women are in some cases expected to adopt the male term (in a fandom originally intended for girls!) in order to have the same status, because the female term doesn't have the same weight. I resent that. I resent being expected to take on the male status term in order to be considered as good of a fan. It makes me feel marginalized in one of the LAST fandoms where I should be feeling this way. And that's why I use "pegasister". It's no better or worse than "brony", and it doesn't erase my gender and make me assimilate into the male whole in order to be included.

For this reason I'm going to side-eye someone who insists on using "brony" and whines about being called a "pegasister" (girly term, ew!!). Pegasister isn't an insult; I only use it to identify a fellow fan who is female. If you don't want to be called that there's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to be called a brony, well, I'm not going to say you can't, but I'm not going to lie: it does make me a bit uncomfortable when other female fans do that, because it ultimately affects my experience as a female fan, for the reasons listed. And it gives me this vibe like you want to be One of the Guys and eschew the female, "girly" term because ew, who wants that! That's very sexist, imo.

So yeah, your choice etc. etc. but I reserve the right not to like it because it ultimately affects the fandom as a whole and as such affects my experiences and to an extent I think it perpetuates sexism in fandom.

*Another analogy along this vein that ties my whole position together - it's like if I went around, as a woman, and insisted that people in formal settings called me "sir" and not "ma'am". If I said, "I just like it better, I don't like 'ma'am', people would side-eye me, because it sounds like I want to be associated with the men and rejecting femininity as lesser.

Also your use of RBD makes me sad. This isn't the first time here I've seen someone use a pic of her to represent a view that makes me feel uncomfortable, and she's my favorite.

[eaten_by_bears]

*bro-hoof*

[lumelle]

This is why I choose to be a fanicorn.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no horse in this race, so to speak, but I'd guess you have a reason - some assocation with the name that you don't want to lose - your choice. And I figure that pegasister came about because someone didn't want people to think they were calling themselves pegasus rather than pegasis, but I think pegasis is sort of clever. But why not just call yourself a fan of My Little Pony, or wait, you could call yourself a FIMfan - that would be awesome!

[otakugal15]

Have fun perpetuating horrid stereotypes, racism, sexism, abelism, and everything else!!

TW: Misogyny, rape, death threats, transphobia

[(Anonymous)]

So you want to be associated with misogynists, rape apologists, rapists, transphobic people and people who send death threats at someone for daring to not hold the same idea of canon as them.

Nice.

[(Anonymous)]

did anyone else read the last line of this secret in the firefly theme song music

[mentalguru]

Meh. If you want that name then fine. I don't want it myself but despite the baggage attached that's not true of all people. Even nice people can be bronies. Though it makes me wonder if such folks have a masochistic streak given the past year.

Just don't call me one and I'm fine calling you one, I guess?

Just don't be surprised if people are wary of you though before they get to know you even if you are in fact a nice person. It's after all understandable to be so, and I can't really apologise for it in my own case. I'll be waiting and seeing first before I act fellow-fanish etc to a brony I have not mentally stamped as okay.

Also there's the problem of a subset of male bronies who won't consider you one. So hope you don't run into too much of that?

'Brony' used to seem kind of cute as a name to me honestly. Corny as hell sure, obviously but nah, unfortunately it's going to take some time for the taint to run off if it ever gets the chance to and the drama certain bronies perpetuate stops.

Granted I'm thinking we should have a month break from brony secrets unless something huge/awful happens in that time*- praise/defence secrets is obviously the most annoying type to me but it's getting a little tiring sometimes I guess.

*Am I tempting fate?