[ SECRET POST #244 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #244 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 036 secrets from Secret Submission Post #035.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, September 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 36

[aviy.livejournal.com]

I don't care if you don't see a gap! I don't care if I do! I don't care if you think I'm wrong! I don't even actually care that you seem to think I am a fool for seeing the gap that is to you clear and unarguably not there! I'm not shoving my opinions down your throat. My comment was brief, it was phrased ENTIRELY to be taken as my opinion. The way I see things. I told you only that I felt I liked those scribbly oekakis, that I rarely see something that means as much to me, in scribbly oekaki form, from american artists. I didn't even say American's can't do that \o/ Just that I don't see it often. That when I see scribbly american art it lacks a certain something I typically expect from American art. NOTE ALL THE SUBJECTIVE WORDS THERE. Hell, go back and read my original comment. I think. It seems. I feel. To me.

What you're pissed about me doing I didn't do. You read into it, probably because you're pissy. Because my opinion angers you for being different than your opinion which you actually do present as fact several times. (I QUOTE: "Trust me. There's no gap. You might think you see one, you might think that you see things precisely and clearly, but you don't.") Please note the IRONY as related to this statement: So I don't know why you would present your views as fact.

Look, I won't even go into the whether or not American artists are better/worst/out numbers/older/younger/unappreciated/whatever. It's an empty argument. You are wrong in your assumptions of me, though. I have hung out at cons with american artists. Infact, of the four cons I've been to, three times I went with friends who were there for art stuff. I've watched over years people who I love very much grow into wonderful artists, people who started with mere mimicry of japanese art form and find their own wonderful style. Who learn to use proportion and perspective in ways 80% of the Jfen art I see either can't or won't bother to strive for.

My original comment was meant, specifically, not to insult americans or raise japanese on a pedestal, but to defend those little oekaki scribbles. Stuff like this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/erachan/Aviy/Elric029.gif?t=1189135040), which is messy and simple and vague but none-the-less makes me feel an emotion and tells me a tiny little story. This is the kind of art I love, regardless of whether or not it's by an american artist or a japanese one. And yes. I do find that good american artists, in a general sense, lean more toward one type of thing while japanese lean toward another. It's why I associate Americna artists with buffer characters, complete backgrounds, more interesting perspectives and why I associate japanese artists with interesting sketches and coloring and more emotional work.

Do you think I'm wrong? Fine. Go ahead. I've formed my opinions the only way anyone can: off my experience. I have, whatever you say, only presented them as my opinions. Disagree as you like, yelling at me that I'm wrong is remarkably unlikely to change my opinion, but if it makes you feel better, by all means.

I'm sorry you think you're shunned because you're an american artist. I love art. I love artists. I honestly prefer american styles to japanese, because the japanese habits of making everyone scrawny and young and a weepy uke drives me crazy. I'm sorry you found the implication that you have to 'catch up' insulting, but even if you weren't speaking specifically of anime/manga fandom artists, I was. And I do remember thinking, when I was younger, that all anime fanart by americans sucked. And I have long since stopped thinking that, as the fandoms I'm into grow, as the 'nromal' age for being an anime/manga fan goes up, so yes I feel like the American fanartists are catching up.