[ SECRET POST #2254 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2254 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 058 secrets from Secret Submission Post #322.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/fGdKzsz.png

[(Anonymous)]

I loved this movie. It was very well cast. Except Moira. Something about that actress rubbed me the wrong way.

[funyarinpainahat]

Oh good, I wasn't the only one who thought this. Moira was a sweetheart but something about her felt...off.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, a movie fan bashing the comics while acting like their personal opinion is an objective fact. Never seen that one before.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

I dig that you first say you "checked some of the comics" and then go on to judge "half a century of written canon". Doesn't quite mesh, y'know?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

What the fuck ever, I read what was being recommended by people who know their stuff as the creme de la creme of the X-Men mythos.

If what fans consider the best stuff in their beloved franchise doesn't work for me, I'm going to take a wild guess the rest won't, either.

I'm sorry!

Wait. I'm not, actually.

[(Anonymous)]

So you read ALL the comics, huh?

It really depends on the author.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no interest in x-men but I love James McAvoy. Should I watch this film or not?

[(Anonymous)]

sure

it's a decent movie and it doesn't actually require any prior knowledge of the franchise that you wouldn't have already absorbed through pop culture osmosis

[(Anonymous)]

If you can deal with the horrible sexism and chauvinism from the two main characters, then yes. But wait, you're watching it for the white dude, you won't have a problem.

[intrigueing]

I'm not saying that you have any obligation to read the comics if you don't want to, but um, that "half a century of written canon" varies wildly in quality, style, tone, and characterization depending on who's writing it. You can't know what that half-century of canon is like by just checking out a few comics. Even if you think the comics all do suck, they will have to suck in about twelve completely separate totally different ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no, I'm not going to check everything.

A dozen of highly recommended top notch volumes in and I've yet to read anything that even remotely approaches the interaction and characterization I like (First Class's).

I'm done.

[truxillogical]

Because the movie has to condense decades of (often confusing or bad) canon into just the good bits, and make it something that works on a movie screen?

[sugar_spun]

I agree. I'm a big comic fan--especially X-Men--and the reasons movies often seem to be better than comics is because movies can pick and choose what elements work best and discard the elements that didn't. For instance, if we ever see Psylocke as a major character, I'll bet my buttons there will be no Revanche, but we'll just have a Japanese-British butterfly ninja woman.

It's the same reason why some of the best storylines in comics are often stand alones that have a clear beginning and ending, why you so often get acclaimed "reboots" of franchises that can boil down the best bits of stories for repeat consumption, etc.

I think almost all of Superman's best and most famous stories actually tend to revolve around taking one aspect of his mythos to an extreme--what if he died? What if he were born somewhere else? What if he gave up on the world? Rather than telling a Superman story that fits into the every day Superman mythology.

[(Anonymous)]

It's precisely because of the comics that I didn't like this movie. Different authors wrote them differently and there is a lot of retconning throughout the X-Men 'verse. The characterizations and storylines I like are nothing like what was in this movie. AND THAT'S OK. I will allow you to continue to love this movie because apparently that is a power we magically get just by being a fan of something.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you checking out the comics based on other fans' recommendations, or just grabbing whatever is easily available?

As you said, it's half a century of written canon. That's half a century worth of different authors with different plotlines and different interpretations of the characters, as opposed to one unified two-hour vision. Of course it's going to be hit and miss in comparison.

[kallanda_lee]

Easy: because the actors are hot. It's not rocket science.

[iggy]

I haven't seen this movie, so I can't really speak for this fandom but...

Similar to you, I've been devouring comics in the last several months, and I have to say that I like ALL of the male Avengers (except for Hawkeye) more in the Marvel Cinematic Universe than I do in the comics. Black Widow is equally awesome in both though.

[lilacsigil]

I've been an X-Men comics fan for decades and I love the movies (even parts of X3) precisely because they condense the decades of characterisation into one intense experience. If the comics don't work for you, that's fine. It's a different medium and different experience. It doesn't mean one is objectively better than the other.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Because the movie had almost, but not quite, nothing to do with the characters developed by Marvel Comics?

[cloud_riven]

Even though I disagree, I'm kinda loving the impression this thread gives me that you're not allowed to not appreciate nice things.

[brooms]

i read x-men comics almost exclusively & i prefer their movie versions, too.

it's okay, bb.

[(Anonymous)]

same actually. I love the movie but ugh, I tried to like the comics, and I tried hard. I think it's just the comics format that I don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, the 30 years of history kind of make them difficult to handle, I think?
To keep the stories interesting for so long, the many writers who shaped these characters introduced a lot of stupid plot twists, which were then retconned, which were then re-introduced (see also: Heroes)...

Honestly it's really hard to grasp what the hell is going on in comics and I'm not surprised the movie made the characters more palatable to you. It edited many dumb moments and kept some of the best beats of Magneto's story.

This being said: jesus I enjoyed reading Ultimate Xmen even if it turned ridiculous after a while.

[(Anonymous)]

agreed. so much of the stuff that "fanboys" love is emotionally dry as toast.
probably because "fanboys" worry about seeming gay, which is mostly because the writers worry about the perceived homophobia of their fans, ie, vicious cycle.