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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-07 06:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2256 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2256 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Most Popular Girls In School]


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[Rust and Bone]


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[My Mad Fat Diary]


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[Sailor Moon]


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[Harvest Moon: A New Beginning]


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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 021 secrets from Secret Submission Post #322.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-08 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.

This is why he sucks, OP.
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-03-08 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Except how that essay is complete and total rubbish and bears exactly zero resemblance to Superman in any form, pre- OR post-Crisis. It only bears a resemblance to a theoretical idea of Superman that sometimes gets brought up in Elseworlds.
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[personal profile] oftheark 2013-03-08 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
That's... really wrong. Supes generally has three identities, especially in recent continuities; he has Superman, who is the perfect hero, Metropolis Clark Kent, who is the cover, the bumbling reporter that he overcompensates with so people find him to be the complete opposite of Superman, and then there's Smallville Clark Kent, the kid with superpowers who was raised by human parents. The first two are disguises; the third is who he really is, which is a mix of both.
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[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-03-08 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, Tarantino, how you love making your characters mouthpieces for your personal ideas.

Spider-Man is really Peter Parker. That much is true. That's the real him, and often the Spider-Man persona lets him grow as a person. But it is just a mask.

The idea that Batman is actually Bruce Wayne first is such a huge incredible lie by almost every modern interpretation. Bruce Wayne is the billionaire playboy, the irreverent charmer. Batman is the serious broody brood that he has always felt he really is. When he takes the mask off, he's still Batman. He has to pretend to be Bruce Wayne for everyone else.

I think Superman is equal parts Clark Kent and Superman. Neither is the whole or complete version, and they each feed into each other. The thing is, the Clark Kent you often see isn't even the real Clark Kent. It's a disguise to hide another disguise. The real Superman is very much his human counterpart: the values and morals he was raised with define him and make him who he is. It is the superpowerful god-like part of him that let's him carry out his morals.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-08 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Yeah, that's the most accurate idea I've seen: both Metropolis!Clark and Superman are mostly (but not entirely) disguises, and Smallville!Clark is the "real" person, but incomplete. It's all kinda fuzzy and not clear-cut, and that's what I like about it.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-03-08 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The best Batman stories have him similar to Superman, in that most of the public gets Bruce Wayne, the frivolous playboy, the villains and most heroes get Batman, the ultra-serious BAMF, and a select few - Alfred, the Robins, and depending on the writer, maybe Batgirl, Catwoman and Superman - get Master Bruce, who's a bit overserious, but capable of showing affection, and letting his vulnerabilities show.

Unlike Supes the real identity is actually closer to the superhero identity than the public civilian identity, of course, so even softening the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy like that makes Bill exactly backwards.