[ SECRET POST #2257 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2257 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.



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[Jessica Alba]


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[porn... sort of. illustrated]


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13. [SPOILERS for A Song of Ice and Fire]



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14. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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15. [SPOILERS for Brave, Wreck-It Ralph]



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17. [WARNING for suicide, self harm]

[My Mad Fat Diary]


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18. [WARNING for rape]

[Far Cry 3]


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19. [WARNING for self harm and sexual abuse]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #322.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The reaction to ADWD from the SJWs was hilarious.

Theon: Is tortured to the point where he forgets his own name. His fingers and toes are flayed then chopped off, his teeth are broken so he can't chew solid food and he's implied to have been castrated.

Cersei: Is forced to walk the streets naked while people jeer at her.

Reaction? OMG, WHAT IS GRRM'S PROBLEM WITH WOMEN?

[(Anonymous)]

It's like your examples make the argument against you for me. Because, yes, what happens to Theon is obviously worse. But at the same time - why is the negative thing that happens to the lady quite sexual in nature, and the thing that happens to the man is not? You're seriously going to tell me that's irrelevant?

It's not really that important who gets it worse - which fictional character suffers more. They're fictional characters. What matters is how GRRM treats characters and how he writes them, and for that reason, the second thing is more problematic than the first.

(And don't try to tell me that castration is a sexual punishment in the way that Cersei's punishment is)

[(Anonymous)]

And don't try to tell me that castration is a sexual punishment

How is it not?

[sugar_spun]

Yeah, jeez. That's just about as vile a sexual punishment as you can get.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it is. Not in the same way. Has to do with sex but is not in itself a sexual thing mostly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I see it as a particularly vulgar sort of violence, but much more in the bodily harm category than the sexual violation category. Though of course, not completely removed from the sexual violation category.

[sugar_spun]

Then you shouldn't feel Cersei's walk was a sexual violation, since she was just naked and walking and that's it. It was a violation of her pride.

That's not what I think, of course, but it's just as much of a stretch as the idea castration is not a sexual violation. Is cutting off a woman's labia not a sexual violation to you?

[(Anonymous)]

DA. This is a good comment!

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[(Anonymous)]

You're stupid. That's all that really needs to be said on this.

[helenadax]

But rape is and Theon has been forced to have oral sex with Jeyne.

I hated what GRRM did to Cersei, though. I wanted her to be punished because she's stupid and cruel and has done horrible things, not because she has fucked some guys. Her punishment is the only time I felt Martin was being sexist.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think we were supposed to think that what happened to Cersei was fair punishment, though. IDK, it seems to me that the authorial intention was for the readers to sympathise with her.

[(Anonymous)]

I felt like her punishment was analogous to Capone going to prison for tax evasion rather than murder, and for similar reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Protip: You were supposed to feel sorry for her.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

I should probably preface this by saying that I know very little of the fandom in question, BUT: I think castration is much of a "sexual punishment" as it can get. I'm kind of baffled that you'd think someone being forced to walk around naked somehow trumps that. I mean, nudity doesn't equal sex -- but castrating someone, making sure that he can't procreate (or possibly even have intercourse), is undeniably tied to it.

[aubry]

A possible line of thinking to explore as to why people have these different reactions might be because Theon's story is full-on body horror. The castration is part of that. It's visceral and sickening in the same way the Saw movies are. So perhaps there's a sense in which the sexual element is sublimated beneath general fear of mutilation for some readers?

Cersei's punishment otoh is about shaming her and making her sexually vulnerable. Shame, and fear of the mob whom we've seen rape before, and the knowledge that this punishment is about threatening her as a woman are possibly just different horror-triggers, and people have different levels of susceptibility.

I don't think it makes sense to downplay one for the sake of the other at all, but there could be an interesting conversation in the different fears they play on because of how they're gendered and sexualised.

[(Anonymous)]

da

this is a good comment

[(Anonymous)]

Except that Ramsay and Theon's "relationship" has a lot of uncomfortable sexual/dominant overtones in it? And is full of degradation and humiliation? And castration is definitely a sexual punishment (made even worse by Ramsay continuously rubbing it in Theon's face afterwards that he's "not even a man"). I don't understand your reasoning for that, anon.

[visp]

His treatment of women is far more sexualized (yes, even taking Theon's "could possibly be interpreted as sexual abuse" torture.) I think that, really, to make it equal opportunity there needs to be some instances of sexual abuse at The Wall (not that I want there to be, I'd personally rather everything get a little nicer, but so long as we're being grimdark here, let's do it right).

[itstopped]

I don't think there's really room for interpretation on the fact that Ramsay sexually abused Theon? He forces him into sex. That's as black and white as it gets.

Although I did think that point about the Wall that came up here recently was a very good one.