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fandomsecrets2013-03-10 03:39 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2259 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2259 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-11 12:39 am (UTC)(link)What I meant by Five handling it well is not that he was handling it healthily (although, I'm honestly not sure what a healthy reaction to the Doctor's experiences would even be- they'd break just about anyone), but that he didn't complain about it in the way that the New Who Doctors do. The utterly shattered "there should have been another way" at the end of Warriors of the Deep is the most he ever let on, but shutting down is no healthier than angsting visibly, and I'm sorry I implied that.
I absolutely loved season 21 and how completely tragic it was. Even at the end of the rather silly two parter about the historical reenactment gone wrong, the Doctor says that he's had a hard day, and is so stressed out by the prospect of hanging out with Tegan's grandfather that he has to be coerced. The danger was already over, and there was nothing difficult about it, but he'd really lost his tolerance. I've made fun of Ten's behaviour in EoT, but honestly raging about the fact that you're dying is a better place than the Doctor was in during Caves, when he hardly even seemed to care. Especially since all he would have had to do to survive (and what any rationally acting person would have done) was take his dose of the medicine as soon as he got it.
I can't honestly hold the Doctor letting the Master die against him though. It's scary in that it's so un Doctor-y, and it shows that his own morals have relaxed, but the universe really would be better off without the Master, and letting him die is the responsible thing to do. Not rescuing the villain is actually pretty good hero-ing.
That's really interesting about Ten and Eleven having already experienced Five's traumas. I mean, I knew that, but I've never really thought about it that way. It's fascinating, and I'm certainly going to be paying attention to that next time I re-watch New Who.
I love Ten as well, but yeah, I also like making fun of him. I think he may have over-reacted a bit with Rose, given that she was perfectly safe and fine and with her family, just not with him anymore, but I do understand why he would be upset about it. Same with Eleven and the Ponds. For the most part, though, the Doctor has 'earned' all of his angst. They put that poor character through so much hell. I agree that it wasn't a terrible thing for Eleven to decide to take a break for a bit- better that than keep going when he can't handle it, but I'm glad he seems to be back in the game now.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-11 01:16 am (UTC)(link)I jumped around so much when first watching both Classic Who and New Who that the Doctors and the eras are always kind of side by side in my mind and I'm constantly looking for similarities and differences and progression and stuff. I didn't pick up that bit from The Awakening -- that's a good point. Hmm, now you're making think about Five's increasing tendency to lose interest and get stressed out over little things over the course of his run...need to watch out for that next time I rewatch.
And oh, I don't blame the Doctor for letting the Master die one bit, because yeah, you're right. I was thinking more about what his attitude towards the Master's death seemed to imply about him. It was so weird. It wasn't even cold and ruthless and scary like...Seven blowing up Davros and Skaro, or Ten slaughtering the Racnoss babies. It was like he was going "Huh. Oh. That happened. That's...that's a good thing. I don't need to stop that." Like he couldn't even summon up the energy to react because he was too burnt out and tired, or something.
I adore New Who (and it gave me a whole new wonderful layer of appreciation for Old Who), but I think my biggest complaint about it is that both Davies and Moffat don't really seem to know when to quit. Ten angsting over Rose? Great, makes sense, but did it have to go on for a whole season? Eleven's whole "everyone's scared of you!" arc. Great, makes sense, but did it have to be retreaded that many times? I think dwelling on the same stuff too much kind of limits the range of ideas that can be explored.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-11 02:53 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-03-11 01:36 am (UTC)(link)There was a meta post about the Doctor through regenerations and the overall character arc for the March Month of Meta last year:
http://icarus-chained.livejournal.com/306025.html
It's a bit shaky in places, and the authors haven't seen much of Eleven, but it was interesting enough.